Sealed unto the day of redemption

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  1. Nicholas25

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    Ephesians 4:30
    And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    As one who does not believe in OSAS, what does this verse mean?
     
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    It means your view of OSAS is wrong. :laugh:
     
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    There are a number of verses used to support OSAS that were actually written to encourage Christians to continue trusting in Christ regardless of persecution. This is one of them. There are so many verses that warn Christians about not continuing to trust in Christ to conclude otherwise. Of course, the OSAS Christians claim these warning verses are not talking about eternal salvation, but rewards or something else.

    This is just my observations here on BB.
     
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    Nicholas,

    bmerr here. I don't think being sealed guarantees being saved in the end. In Acts 2:38, there is the promise of "the gift of the Holy Ghost". I don't pretend to have that all figured out, but my guess is that it's related to how we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

    We can't forget that faithfulness is required if we would spend eternity in Heaven. The soul is not saved at the beginning of our faith, but at the end (1 Pet 1:9).

    In Christ,

    bmerr
     
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    What Amy said......

    Nicholas, it means exactly what it says. Once you are saved don't do stuff that grieves God. Live your faith. Be a witness. He has sealed you until the Rapture or your death, whichever comes first. Nothing can change that. You are OSAS whether you believe it or not. Don't disappoint One who is sooooo gracious to you! If you stumble, run to 1 John 1:9, not to restore your salvation, but to restore moment-by-moment fellowship with Him. No one "works" for salvation in the first place, or to maintain it!! It is God's grace, your faith, and even your faith to believe comes from Him! Celebrate it!

    Read John 15:7. If you are grieving God by your words and behavior, you are out of fellowship. You can ask what you will 'til you are blue in the face and it ain't gonna happen. That's why 1 John 1:9 is there. Go for it! :thumbs:

    p.s. I like what one writer said about it: "You know that I’m not just talking about making a mental acknowledgment and you’re all right. No, what I’m talking about is a Holy Spirit driven belief, that my eternal destiny is based on what He did for me on that Cross."
     
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    Are you saying that you do NOT believe in O.S.A.S?

    The security of the believer.........
    I believe that we are secure in Christ and we can NEVER lose our salvation.

    John 10:28-29

    Rom 8....

    Eph. 2:8-9....
     
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    I think she is saying that HE's wrong for not believing it. (And I bet he does believe it once it is established what "saved" really means)
     
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    Under those circumstances, the verse has no meaning.
    It is a proof text for OSAS = Once saved, Always saved.

    OSAS is about the fidelity of Messiah Jesus (the one who saves);
    not about the perfidy of man.
     
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    Amen, Sister Amy.G -- You are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:
     
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    This texts affirms the promise of Christ that no one is able to take us from Him.

    But it does not CONTRADICT the teaching of Matt 18 (Forgiveness revoked) or John 15 "Vines IN Christ - cast out and burned". Because it does not place "God in a lock box" such that He must ignore the Word He gave in Romans 2 and Romans 11 and simply "be stuck with rebells".

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    I define OSAS to mean what ever this scripture means:

    John 3:16 (KJV1611 Edition):
    For God so loued ye world,
    that he gaue his only begotten Sonne:
    that whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
    should not perish,
    but haue euerlasting life
     
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    Me too.

    But then Christ comes along and warns those who BELIEVE about "forgiveness revoked" in Matt 18.
     
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    Show me what Jesus said in Matthew 18 that
    leades you to think that forgiveness will be revoked.

    In your reply show scripturally how:

    1. forgiveness already granted by grace will be un-granted
    or un-graced

    2. forgiveness which would be granted by grace does not get
    granted by grace

    3. that 'forgiveness will be revoked' means 'grace will not
    be offered'

    4. that 'forgiveness will be revoked' means 'salvation
    will be revoked

    5. That what we do in pairs as the universal church
    will tie the hands of Jesus
     
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    While I think that Scriptures clearly show OSAS, using John 3:16 to "prove" it is not a good idea because it does not.
     
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    bmer
    Hi bmer,

    It is not just about our faith. It is our faith in Jesus Christ's faith in us. Our faith may falter, but His never has, does, or will.
    "To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy"-Jude 24 NIV


    I disagree.
    "And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."-Romans 8:30 NIV
    We are spiritually glorified the moment we embrace Jesus Christ.
     

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