Secretary of State Rice at Odds with V.P. Cheney

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  1. KenH

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    "In recent months, Cheney has been the force against adding safeguards to the Defense Department’s rules on treatment of military prisoners, putting him at odds with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and acting Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England. On a trip to Canada last month, Rice interrupted a packed itinerary to hold a secure video-teleconference with Cheney on detainee policy to make sure no decisions were made without her input...

    At the same time Rice has emerged as an advocate for changing the rules to ‘‘get out of the detainee mess,’’ said one senior U.S. official familiar with discussions. Her top advisers are working on a package of proposals designed to address all controversial detainee issues at once, instead of on a piecemeal basis.

    Cheney’s camp is a ‘‘shrinking island,’’ said one State Department official who, like other administration officials quoted in this article, asked not to be identified because public dissent is strongly discouraged by the White House..."

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    Way to go Condi!
    Way to stand up to the big guy.
    You Da Man, err I mean You Da Woman!
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    Yes, well, the CIA should not have to follow the same rules as the military when it comes to interrogation of enemies. And I want HER for the next President? NOT!
     
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    I am a Christian. I am opposed to torture by any U.S. governmental agency, including the C.I.A.

    Torture by the U.S. government? As a Christian - not in my name, LadyEagle, not in my name.

    I do not want to see the United States lower itself to the level of our enemies.
     
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    That's sweet music to al-Qaeda's and the liberal's ears, Ken.

    Never give the ace up your sleeve away if you want to win a poker game or a war.
     
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    I don't want the U.S. to be on the same moral level as al Qaeda, sans the beheadings.
     
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    Ken,
    Don't give up your principals.
    Although I am not fully sold on Condi Rice, her gutsy attitude does score some major points with me.
     
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    So, even if CIA tortures and gets the info that prevents a WMD like nuclear attack in the US, no torture to get the info?

    I personally think the Geneva Convention is outdated. The only people who care about it are the bleeding heart liberals. Our enemies sure don't.
     
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    So, LE, you want our al Qaeda's actions to determine your and our nation's morality?

    That would set a really good example for the rest of the civilized world. NOT!

    There are plenty of ways to get information short of resorting to torture, LE.
     
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    Why should that matter if we aren't a Christian nation?

    The civilized world doesn't behead people, and since when is the US supposed to be a good example, especially since we were not founded on Judeo-Christian principles as we are constantly told, even on this board?

    Besides, there is only one way to deal with terrorists, torture them and then kill them. We are inhumane to our own unborn citizens, but treat the terrorist detainees with all accoutrements fitting a king - far better than they had it when they were living in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Yeah? Name one.
     
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    Besides, it is properly called, as O'Reilly so aptly put it, "coerced interrogation." [​IMG]
     
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    Who would have thought that it would be Christians who would support the use of torture? How unexpected and sad.
     
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    Good cop bad cop, yadda yadda yadda.

    Will this little staged soap opera be put on DVD in the future Ken?
     
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    We do not torture prisoners. How the leftists got you to believe that lie is beyond me, but you obviously fell for it. There are always exceptions to every rule and when these abuses have come to light, they've been dealt with.

    I, on the other hand would absolutely not put any successful method of interrogation out of bounds, if it saved lives. If you see that as lowering to their level, so be it. To cavalierly toss out a tool that your enemy freely uses, is foolish if it puts you at a disadvantage.
     
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    Your sensibilities are useless and dangerous if you insist on apply them to our war making arsenal. If there are other means available, that are less traumatic, then fine, utilize them, but don't take tools off the table that may be needed. We are already at a huge disadvantage by the baddies holing up with innocent families, where we simply will not target, as a rule. These are not good people, they are steeped in evil.
     
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    Well then for you Terry, I hope none of your loved ones are ever the one hanging in the balance of info gathering. You can't possibly understand the mind of these evil people, or you wouldn't utter these foolish pieties.

    Torture is a word that is defined in each ones mind, and I do not condone beheadings or any torture, that leaves permanent physical damage.

    The kinds of things done to the Viet Nam POW's was wrong because it was not done for information gathering, that would presumedly save lives, but for some other sadistic reason.

    Carrying these thoughts further, how can a Christian (nation) condone pushing a button from 25,000 ft. and expect some collateral damage not to occur? Isn't that worse? Those relatively innocent people never again have a chance at salvation. How about we abolish bombers because they are so ruthless? That kind of thinking is exactly what the leftists want of us, in order to disarm America, for their one world govt. under the A-christ.
     
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    This is not an area Ken, that I would attack as a focal point of American morality, where your sensibilities have so negative an effect on our troops. Why not start with murder of the unborn, where your focus would do more good than harm.
     
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    This kind of thinking (left vs right) is exactly what the globalists want of us, in order to disarm America, for their one world government. Under the A- christ.

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