Secular Humanism

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  1. Joy

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    How many of us realize how much humanism has invaded our churches? Secular humanism is a religion itself, and has as its goal, to root out and transcend Christianity. By allowing humanistic philosophy to invade our churches, we are helping secular humanism to reach its goal.

    If you think that bringing in worldy culture to our worship services, and allowing false views if God to be preached from our pulpits is just a problem with the liberals, think again!

    Here is a link to the Humanist Manifesto. How much of it do you believe? :eek:
    http://www.humanist.net/documents/manifesto2.html
     
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    Another big problem we have in Christianity today, is that many people have not learned doctrine, even preachers. If you do not know your Bible, how will you be able to spot false doctrine when it slips in? We need to have a serious return to teaching of doctrine and discipling all believers in it. Most believers don't even know what secular humanism is, and can't tell you why it is wrong from the Scriptures. They don't even know it has invaded even fundamental circles. :(
     
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    Joy
    in what way do you feel secular humanism has crept into our churches? I am not saying I disagree, just curious about how you are seeing this.

    Karen
     
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    Joy,

    You may be shocked to know this, but I believe you're right. (As a side note, there is very little in the Humanist Manifesto II that I support. I reject their fundamental principle that humans should not be subordinate to the will of God.)

    I don't think there is much humanism even in our seminaries, although the high view of humanity is endorsed in some places (despite all evidence to the contrary). On the other hand, I think we see a lot of it in the bad lay theology that permeates our congregations. I think many, if not most, Christians don't really believe in a fallen humanity.

    Joshua
     
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    Joy, I haven't got time now to read this site, We are about to leave to go visit Rob, but I'll be reading this, An interesting topic.
     
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    Now that was scary.

    But I would also like to know in what ways humanism has invaded the church. Not disputing, would just like more clarification.
    And I agree, too many people are too lacking on doctrines. Some of it is churches not doing well enough at teaching, but even when churches do, some people just won't listen, or come to learn, some just don't care, or refuse to apply what they learn.
     
  7. Joy

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    False doctrine such as "neo theism" is humanistic in part.

    The blurring of the sexes and their biblical roles is a goal in the humanist manifesto.

    The acceptance of sexual orientation and freedom is also a goal in the humanist manifesto.

    The over-emphasis of love as an attribute of God, without balancing it with His other attributes, is a result of a humanistic world view.
     
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    Ah, getting it now.
    But can I ask, (call me ******), but whats "neo theism" ?


    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> The blurring of the sexes and their biblical roles is a goal in the humanist manifesto.

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    So that would be like the discussion on women preachers.
     
  9. Joy

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    Joy, I read some of that(not all they were too long) and, I have to say I don't think I've heard much on this. But I think your right, what little I have heard was from christians.

    I will say I was sickned by these ideas also.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Joy:
    False doctrine such as "neo theism" is humanistic in part.

    The blurring of the sexes and their biblical roles is a goal in the humanist manifesto.

    The acceptance of sexual orientation and freedom is also a goal in the humanist manifesto.

    The over-emphasis of love as an attribute of God, without balancing it with His other attributes, is a result of a humanistic world view.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Gender equity is a common theme of secular humanism and mainstream Christian scholarship. Likewise, feeding the hungry is a common goal of both Muslim and Christian charities, but that does not mean that one does it because the other. They both do it because it's the right thing to do.

    Among Christians, gender equity comes from the belief (which is not a common one on this board) that men and women are equally created in the image of God. For secular humanists, it comes from the inherent worth of men and women.

    As a Christian, I do support gender equity, but I do not subscribe to the secular humanist's rationale for it.

    Joshua
     
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    After seeing Hindu women thrown on the funeral pyres of their dead husbands . . .

    After seeing Moslem women veiled and walking like whipped dogs after their husbands . . .

    After seeing Shinto women bowing and s****ing and serving their husbands . . .

    I kinda thought that Christianity was the ONLY religion is which there truly IS "gender equity".

    Equity before God in salvation where there is "no male or female". Not that there are different roles for male/female. That has nothing to do with "equity".

    Christianity is the only religion that elevates the woman to a higher place . . . even if they cannot be a pastor and they still &gt;&gt;sigh&lt;&lt; must bear the children.
     
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    I've not seen churches overemphisize God's love over other attributes, perhaps I've just not been clear about that.

    I've seen other things though

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    Women are equal in value, but the Bible has given them different roles. ;)
     
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    Amen, Joy.
     
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    The fact that they had different roles at the time the biblical authors were writing does not mean they were given different roles.

    My wife is a gifted surgeon, I'm good at people-oriented skills. She works, and I stay at home with our son. We're each following our God-given gifts, and fulfilling complimentary roles in our marriage.

    Joshua
     
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    Joshua, they were given different roles right from creation. That is so obvious, just look at the differences in our bodies! God created woman to be man's helper and to bear and care for children. Man was given the responsibility to provide for and protect his family.

    Equal in value, different in function. Just like a team, or a body, no member or part is more important to the whole, but they all have different functions.
     
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    So, the biblical model for a family is Joshua's family. The bible really doesn't mean what it says, it means what Joshua says it says.
     
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    And what most mainstream Christian theologians say Jim.
     
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    Joshua, you keep talking about "mainstream theologians" and "mainstream Christians". The "mainstream Christians" in Germany backed Hitler. The "mainstream church" conducted the inquisitions. So:

    1) who cares what the "mainstream" thinks. If the "mainstream" said that the moon was made of cheese (less ridiculous than claiming that sodomy is not a sin) would you take that position?

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    2) Your definition of "mainstream" may be much different than someone else's.

    Do you think that God is moved or impressed by the "mainstream"?
     

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