In the current debate over the major problems with immigration in the United States, I often hear people say that we should not deal with immigration reform until "we secure the borders." For the most part, I agree (at least in theory). Yet, this stipulation begs the question, what would securing the borders look like? How much would illegal immigration have to be restricted before the borders would be declared "secure"? Those of you who advocate "securing the borders" before dealing with immigration reform, please try to quantify an answer. What is the upper limit regarding the number of illegals entering the U.S. before our border ceases to be secure? OR Would securing the borders involve some sort of Berlin-wall type structure completely surrounding all of the land borders? (Remember, we have an enormous amount of rural coastline, so massive walls at the borders will not necessarily keep motivated illegals out.) OR Would securing the borders simply be a strong enforcement of our immigration laws (similar to the new Arizona law) without any connection to a wall or the number of illegals who manage to enter the U.S.? OR Something else? What say ye?