See Ohio Ballot and How Anti-Bush it is

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  1. leesw

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    There has already been complaining of complication in voting for Bush in Ohio.

    Look at this Ballot. Is this not crazy? I mean, if I were TRYING to make it complicated, this is about what I'd do. The arrow for the Bush/Cheney ticket points directly to the right, but that's not where you are supposed to punch! The place you are supposed to punch is actually at the top right....above Kerry's, though his name is listed FIRST.

    But to vote for Kerry and Edwards.......a breeze. The arrow points right to it. Ugg. It's simply just not fair.

    To see it go to http://www.electoral-vote.com/images/ohio-butterfly.jpg
     
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    Looks like if you follow the arrow, you punch #14. Who's that?
     
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    The CP crowd won't care. Peroutka's right in line.
     
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    I guess it is Anti-Badnarik also.
     
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    In Pennsylvania, the order of listing on the ballot is done by drawing lots. It's probably the same in Ohio.

    If people are such idiots that they can't follow simple instructions, they should not be voting.

    But, then, the present lot of politicians depends on idiocy at the polls to stay in office, so don't look for too much to change.
     
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    If I didn't look that closely I'd assume that I should punch #14 to vote for Bush. The arrow points to that block, they both have a 4 in the number, if not paying close enough attention it's an easy mistake. With the names listed and arrows pointing to a block beside it I probably wouldn't bother to read the directions, I'd assume you punch the number the arrow beside the candidate leads to.
    PA Jim, I'm not an idiot, and neither are others who will most likely make the same mistake I assume I would have made had I not first seen the ballot, and if I had wanted to vote for Bush.
    Gina
     
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    Easy mistake to make!!!!! I sure hope they explain this on their local news. Who designed the ballot anyway? Michael Moore, lol! :rolleyes: But really it concerns me. :eek:
     
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    Persons are placed on the ballot from top to bottom in completely random order. Typically, a person has already decided whom to vote for prior to entering the polling place. Also, the butterfly ballot has been used in the aforementioned state for several years' elections prior, so people voting there should be familiar with butterfly ballots. Remember Florida. People claimed that the punch-cards were somehow wrong, and upon doing a recount, the difference turned out to be inconsequential. All it proved was that those on the losing side will look for a reason other than the popular vote for why they lost.
     
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    That ballot is atrocious whether it is in the style that has been used in the past or not. I really thought the Congress would have fixed this situation after the 2000 debacle and everyone would have electronic machines by now.
     
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    No one has found an electronic voting machine that works yet.
     
  11. KenH

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    I've voted on one at least twice here in Arkansas in the past few years.
     
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    Same here Ken. I have not had a problem with the electronic voting machines at all.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    We used the touch screen voting in the primary and run off elections and had no problems at all. I really thought it was a much better system than having to color in the little blocks. [​IMG] No chads either. LOL
     
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    If you didn't look closely before crossing the street you'd get hit by a car.

    When I vote, I pay attention to what I'm doing. Not too much to ask, I think. JohnV says it well above.
     
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    I don't think the Constitution gives congress power over state election procedures. Not that that would stop them if they decided it might affect their pensions.
     
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    "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away...." when I did vote I was VERY careful to read the whole thing a few times to make sure where everyone was.
     
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    That's a weird, ugly ballot.

    It's not that electronic voting doesn't work, it's that with many of them, it would be difficult to prove whether it worked or not. Without a audit trail, a recount is impossible.
     
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    With our touch screen ballot, your completed ballot showed on the screen for you to review. If everything was as you wanted it, you submitted it then, you could also go back and edit anything you'd done wrong. The only problem I saw was that there are non readers in our area and someone had to stand and read it to them.

    Diane
     
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    This coming election will be the second time that my district will be using electronic machines. They worked like a charm last time (2 years ago).

    I'm still hoping for internet voting in the future.
     
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