Senate Immigration Bill

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bro. James Reed, Jun 1, 2007.

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Do you support the Senate Immigration Bill, S.1348?

Poll closed Aug 30, 2007.
  1. Yes, I support it as written & I am a conservative and/or Republican.

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  2. Yes, I support it as written & I am a liberal and/or Democrat.

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  3. Yes, I support it, with changes, & I am a conservative and/or Republican. (Please list changes)

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  4. Yes, I support it, with changes, & I am a liberal and/or Democrat. (Please list changes)

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  5. No, I don't support it & I am a conservative and/or Republican. (Please list reason)

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  6. No, I don't support it & I am a liberal and/or Democrat. (Please list reason)

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  7. I'm still not sure & I am a conservative and/or Republican.

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  8. I'm still not sure & I am a liberal and/or Democrat.

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  1. Bro. James Reed

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    As for me, I'm just not sure. There are times when I strongly want to oppose it on principle, but then there are times when I get fed up and realize there ain't nothing better coming anytime soon.

    I don't like the idea of bringing in 12 million or more new citizens, almost entirely on the very poor side, into the country. I hate to think of what it will do to the different government assistance programs. But, I also agree that following the law, in this case, would bog down the justice system for years to come, making more heinous crimes, like murder, rape, and robbery, even less likely to be dealt with than they already are.

    I'm in a quandry. My conservative side tells me that it is unfair to allow them to stay after breaking our laws (even just the one), but my realistic side tells me that it's just not feasible to carry out real justice here. That's really a shame.

    Plus, they would, supposedly, all be put in line behind those who are already seeking citizenship in this country, so I like that.

    My biggest question is, if there are so many penalties in this legislation (fines, and what not), who is to say that anyone will actually come forward and try to get the new visas, citizenship, and the rest? If it was me, I'd rather stay in the shadows, not have to pay fines, and keep all of the cash money that I make, tax-free.

    I strongly believe, and will not waiver, that we absolutely must stop the sieve that is the Mexican border before any other program is instituted to deal with those here now.

    I just don't know about it all.
     
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    Amnesty, that's why I don't like it. Besides, the figure touted is 12 million, but by the time you add extended families, the real figure (according to estimates I've heard) is more like 20 million. The 12 million figure is faulty anyway, because no one really knows how many are illegally here, counting overstays of visas, etc. And no illegals are going to fill out the voluntary US Census Bureau forms, which is how they conducted at least part of the census last time around, through a form in the mail. People breaking the law to enter illegally is one thing, but the REALLY BAD CRIMINALS are living (sponging) off of us and our tax dollars and meet occasionally on Capitol Hill !!!!

    Send the illegals home and send the Senate with them!
     
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    1. It is still amnesty for those who illegally entered our country.

    2. There is no money for enforcement. Our immigration laws are not being inforced now because of inadequate funding.

    3. Amnesty before enforcement. It all concludes to a Catch 22 situation that will never end.

    These Failures in the Bill Ensure that Illegal Immigration Will Continue After the Amnesty

    The laws we have now are sufficient it is the law makers of this country and this administration that are our biggest obstacles by not providing enforcement of our present laws.
     
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    ...bump...
     
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    I'm thinking like you James.

    Petra is right. Really the border should be secured first and foremost before any talk about any deals for the illegals.

    Think about it. If congress would pass the deal they have going right now with the border still wide open, you would see a massive rush, a stampeed out of Mexico of people trying to get in so they too can get the deal!

    But I doubt very much that anyone is willing to pay or able to pay, what is it, 5000 dollars. These people are poor. How are they going to pay?

    God Bless!
     
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    Agreed. The border must be under our control before anything else can have a realistic hope of succeeding.

    About the money, from what I understand, they will have 8 years to pay the fine. I don't know anyone who couldn't raise that in 8 years. And I know some pretty po' folk. Over 8 years, that's just $1.71 per day.

    I am having trouble weighing the balance. If it passes, will the politicians become complacent and stop keeping tabs on progress like they did in '86? If it fails, are we really prepared to sit for years, and have the problem multiply, waiting for a bill that may never come? I just don't see Congress passing a bill to send 12 million + people packing.
     
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    I think we should first show our people that we have SECURED the border before we ask the people to deal with those who are here. Otherwise it will just be a long term amnesty plan and the flood will continue on and we will be talking about what went wrong once again in another twenty years.

    God Bless!
     
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    There has been a bill around for months to force employers to require name/social secutiry number matching. The system to check this is in place now. It would eliminate many many jobs for illegals and they will go home on their own nickel. These names should be forwarded to all social service organizations and schools and be on a no bucks list.

    Then start sorting out the rest of the illegals and deport them. The money saved in social services and schools will pay for the transportation. In OR the state departments are not allowed to report known illegals. This ought to change immediately.

    Also in our state an illegal can get a drivers license by telling them they are not a citizen, yet citizens have to jump through multiple hoops to prove their legality in order to get a license. We have illegals from all over the country coming here to pick up an easy drivers license.
     
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    Come on, folks. I know more than 12 people on the BB have an opinion about this bill.

    What do you think?

    Vote, and I'll be your best friend.

    Or, If you don't vote, as my 3 year old nephew says, "You're not coming to my birthday party."
     
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    Well, it seems the final nail was put into the coffin of this bill today.

    Looks like our opinions about it are rather moot now.
     
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    No, I do not support this Amnesty Bill as it truly is!

    Like a lady said on Hannity radio, it is not an "Immigration" bill but rather a pardon bill for lawbreakers! They are truly not interested in shutting down the border but I think the People's voices are being heard and would encourage all to continue to contact their Representatives.

    The government has not lived up to the many other promises and legislation introduced which was supposed to curtail illegal immigration, as nor have they enforced the more than adequate laws having existed for many decades. They are not fooling anyone with this bill either. I guess they want us to think they are doing all they can?:laugh: I say vote the Internationalists out of office!



    If they really wanted to stop illegal immigration then they would secure the border, period!!!!! In addition, they claim it is impossible or not feasible to return 12 million(probably 20mil) to Mexico or where ever they come from, thus why they want to give them immediate status, however; all they really would have to do is set up American-ran visa centers, or what ever immigrant card deemed necessary, in Mexico itself or the U.S. Embassy there. See how fast the illegal immigrants leave American ground themselves to go home, in order to get in line for the new visa. This would allow legitimate and law abiding Mexicans to legally enter America and force the lawbreakers to leave America and then get in line with the rest of the law abiding good immigrants.


    take care:wavey:
     
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    I've sent my third letter to Jon Tester (D-Montana), thanking him for breaking ranks and voting the right way. He's an impressive guy, so far.
     
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    Just thinking out loud here, which could be dangerous in and of itself, but do we really think all of these folks even WANT to be citizens of the US? To me it doesn't make a lot of sense. You come to America to "make a better life," but they are working for minimum wage or lower, which makes them among the poverty in America. But they can return to their "own" country with their earnings and live much more comfortably there than they would here.

    I'm just not sure all these illegals are here because they want the "American dream." I think there are a LOT of folks that like the American dollar because it goes further in their own country.

    It just seems to me that if people really wanted the American dream they wouldn't leave their families behind.
     
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    Can't have secure borders and a North American Union too. Just doesn't compute. Someday maybe we'll all understand this is about merging the USA into the global government. Far as our "government officials" go most of them are traitors to the USA, bought and paid for by transnational interests.
     
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    Some interesting points. I think we all forget sometimes that all of this stuff happening around the world is moving us toward the end of man's day and the end of the time of the Gentiles. Understanding the general timeline of history one would know that there are only a handful of years left at best.
     
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    I've been expressing for a long time and also have been pounding on our Senators and Representative to kill the disgraceful legislation. Perhaps my two cents helped because they've backed off for the moment!

    Illegal immigration is wrong. The borders need to be closed against it. Yes, it can be done! All illegal aliens need to be deported. Yes, it can be done! We need to set a quota of 1 million per year and in about 20 years we'll be real happy to be rid of the problem. That would make lots of room to take in all the legal immigrants that we desire and who are willing to follow our laws to get here. Many have been waiting a long time already. Why should illegal aliens move the head of the line? The full force of all government - local, state, and federal - needs to be applied to the problem including emergency military force to the extent needed. Illegal immigration needs to be made a felony. All law enforcement agencies need to work together to end it and any that don't need to be imprisoned. No benefits - other than temporary emergency medical care and subsistence prior to deportation - should be provided. No driver licenses. No school attendance. No jobs. No apartment rentals. No property ownership. Nothing except a trip home by the most direct route. We need to formerly establish American English our our official language for all government business and prohibit any tax money being spent otherwise. The misapplication of automatic citizenship for "anchor babies" needs to be ended. The original intent was merely to recognize and count all former slaves as citizens. Punishment needs to implemented against anyone that knowingly employs or harbors an illegal alien. The misunderstanding that we need the "cheap" labor for our economy needs to be dispelled. It's not "cheap" because we pay all the hidden costs and are destined to pay much much more. Some selected parties are benefiting from cheap labor at our expense. Some elected officials stand to benefit greatly by adding large numbers of people to the government's caretaker list and that's why they've been pushing so hard to legalize the illegal aliens already here. Etc., etc., as previously posted.

    Are you happy that I came to your "birthday party"?
     
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    Every day moves us one day closer to the end of time but no one knows when the end of time will be. The Bible has made it very clear that we will be surprised by the second coming of the Lord Jesus. We should on the one hand live our own lives as if tomorrow will be our last day but also as if tomorrow will be yet another day in a long life for our descendants and our nation. We shouldn't give up the fight for justice on any day of our lives because if we do then it is certain there will be more injustice should we live longer.
     
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    We certainly can't know the day nor the hour, but we can get within a handful of years. And if there hadn't been so much meddling with the calendars over the years we could probably get to the exact year.

    That will be terribly true for a great many within Christendom as Scripture says they are slumbering, but we don't have to be sleeping. We can be very awake and alert when it comes to the return of the Lord Christ Jesus.
     
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    What's your prediction, within a "handful" of years, of when the end will come?

    We do, indeed, need to be "awake and alert" but it's not something anyone is going to miss when it happens.

    We need to think and act both like there is no tomorrow and like life will go on for a long time after we're gone.

    I like your signature line about truth is true!
     

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