Senator Hutchison: Undoing America's Ethanol Mistake

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  1. KenH

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    Yes. Thankyou Algore. Thank you Willie Nelson. Thank you liberal academia and the socialist news journalists for the "green"washing of the American public. Now lets do the right thing and start drilling, refining, and building nuclear. Unless we all want to go back to living off the land (and most of us dont, there may may be a few Henry David Thoreau fanatics among us) then we must face reality. The Democrats will never be satisfied until they turn us into a third world nation totally dependant on the government for all or needs.
     
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    President Bush and his Republican supporters bear just as much responsibility for this corn ethanol debacle as the Democrats do.
     
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    Perhaps some, but, "just as much?" I don't think so... It's an idea from the minds of liberals.
     
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    Yes, just as much. And that's a fact. I have been keeping up with this issue for years in the Oil Daily.

    Conservatives are just as capable of having lousy ideas as anyone of any other political stripe.
     
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    No, it came from the farmers, not exactly a group of liberals.
     
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    But these farmers were given considerable gelt by congress, which, at its genesis, was it not Dem controlled?

    The GOP is not without blame, but they rolled over at the fear of being painted anti-farmer.
     
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    The corn ethanol craze gained its largest amount of momentum while the GOPs controlled the Congress.
     
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    How so? Seems a bit subjective. I don't recall the Ethanol craze starting in the mid 90s. Seemed it started long before that.
     
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    That is information that I gathered from reading the Oil Daily from 2003 - 2006 when the GOPs controlled the Congress. That's when these ethanol mandates started being placed into law.
     
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    “Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices by cracking down on price gouging, rolling back the billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks and royalty relief given to big oil and gas companies, and increasing production of alternative fuels.”

    Nancy Pelosi - April 24, 2006

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    On the other hand, we have this comment from the Set America Free organization,

    "The ethanol program has actually stimulated corn production so much that, after the part used for ethanol is taken away, the net US corn harvest available for food and feed is up 34% since 2002. Furthermore, contrary to claims in many articles, this has not been done at the expense of soy or wheat production. In fact, U.S. soy plantings this year are expected to be up 18% to a near record of 75 million acres, wheat plantings are up 6%, and overall, US farm exports are up 23%. Much more can be produced as demand requires, since of 800 million acres of US farmland, only 280 million are actually being farmed."

    So, which experts do we care to listen to? Beats me.


     
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    Just look at what has happened to the cost of corn and other food commodities.
     
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    Granted. But oil prices continue to rise. And Ethanol prices will likely drop, so the two should eventually intersect. Especially since the increasing availability of cellulose is looking to replace corn as the feedstock for ethanol.
     
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    Detroit 2008: GM and Coskata announce worldwide cellulosic ethanol partnership


    General Motors vehicles and biomass materials are two things that you can find pretty much anywhere on the planet. GM and Coskata Energy announced a partnership today at the Detroit Auto Show that certainly hints at a future where you we will find biomass materials fueling GM vehicles in a lot of places, maybe pretty much anywhere.

    Coskata claims they will soon reach one of the holy grails of the new energy movement: cheap cellulosic ethanol that can be created anywhere in the world. The short version of this story: Coskata Ethanol can make ethanol from biomass, municipal solid waste and any other carbon-containing material and GM, which has taken an equity stake in Coskata, wants to promote the heck out of this ability.

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