Separation: "Your" biblical interpretation

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  1. tfisher1

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    What is your interpretation of the doctrine of separation found in the Bible, and please show the scripture to back it up. I say "your" interpretation because there seems to be varying views on what separation is. Some think to separate from someone who even looks at you differently, while other want to share a mansion in heaven with buddhist, muslims, hindus, witches... whatever.. ( I know , I'm being extreme). The point is, where is the line, and what is the scripture passage to back up what you believe that line is.

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    Boy oh boy!
    What a mouth full!
    Seperation in what sense? From the "unclean"? From wrong doctrine? From apostacy? From what?
    Seperation is many things. I could give you a crash course or a college course. Both of which I have had.
    What it boils down to is this.
    Take any given subject.
    Search the Scriptures, both OT and NT.
    Find what God has to say about the subject.
    Then follw His commands.

    I hope this is what you are looking for, although, somehow, I don't think it is.
    Could you be more specific?
    In His service;
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    I see your point...maybe along the lines of fundamentalist vs. new-evangelicals. Or denomination vs. denomination. Is it when they go against a doctrine that effects how salvation is obtained? Or even when they just have a different kind of music...etc...

    Does that help any? Let me put it this way, it seems that fundamentalist believe that most new-ev's have failed at the doctrine of separation. What would a solid new-ev, or even John Macarthur who I've seen labeled here as not separated enough, say to a fundamentalist who walked up and said.. your not following separation correctly. Is their response "we know but choose to ignore that part of the Bible"? or , I assume they have their reasons. What do they interpret differently and why?
     
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    Romans 16

    17. Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
    18. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.


    Phillipians 3

    14. I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
    15. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
    16. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
    17. Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
    18. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
    19. Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
    20. For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
    21. Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.


    Galations 1

    6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
    7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
    10. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


    1 Corinthians 5

    1. It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
    2. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
    3. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
    4. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    5. To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
    6. Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
    7. Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
    8. Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
    9. I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
    10. Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
    11. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
    12. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
    13. But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.


    1 Cor. 6

    15. Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
    16. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
    17. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
    18. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
    19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
    20. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
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    Michelle, care to state specifics? Posting long quotes of scriptures don't really give YOUR position/explanation. Please, expound. There's primary separation, secondary separation, etc. Thanks.
     
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    I included scriptures for all. I am sure you can sort them out yourself. Let the Lord show you.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
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    CORPORATE SEPARATION: Church from External Error

    1. FROM FALSE DOCTRINE

    80% of Word Believes Absolutely FALSE Doctrine
    Religions of the World: 20% Buddhism; 20% Islam; 20% Hindu, 20% Roman Catholic/Orthodox + Taoism, Animism, Confucianism, Shintoism; only 1.7% “born again”

    Cults + neo-orthodox heresy among Protestants
    II John 10 "If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine [Jesus is the Son of God and part of the Trinity] receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed.
    Titus 3:10 "A man who is a heretic after the first and second admonition, reject"
    Jude 19 "These be they who separate themselves, natural men who have not the Spirit"
    I Timothy 6:5 " . . from such withdraw thyself"

    2. FROM COMPROMISE WITH FALSE DOCTRINE
    Ecumenical Movement
    Amos 3:3 "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"
    II Cor. 6:14-18 "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?

    Goal of Satan is to counterfeit the true Gospel with "another" Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9)
    Jude 3 To ”earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints."
     
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    Michelle's scripture references, Diane's websight and Dr. Bob's reasoning from the Scriptures has covered this topic very well.
    Todd asked, "The point is, where is the line...(?)"
    That is a reasonable question. What we see in the scriptures is that one should separate from another person, church or group that advocates or promotes ungodly behavior (bad fruit) or unbiblical beliefs (false doctrine). To know what crosses the line you must be rooted and grounded in the Scriptures to know error when you see it.

    As for beliefs, the attacks on sound doctrine usually concern questioning of Who God really and truly is (denial of the Trinity is most typical), and questioning God's Word (such as "the Bible is unreliable.")

    As for behavior, by what I hear a huge error is people believing that, "You can be a good Christian and still ______" Well, fill in the blank. Michelle, above, listed 1Corinthians chapter 5: fornication. Can you be a good Christian and still be a fornicator? Is it somehow okay if the parties involved are of the same sex? No, you cannot be a "good Christian" and be sexually impure any more than you can be a good Christian and be a professional thief or murderer.
     
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    Michelle, again, a dodge instead of specifics. Though these scriptures address parts of separation, you fail to address specifics.

    Is "secondary separation" biblical? Where should one draw the line separation?
     
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    There is the Man of Sin and the Man of Faith. The Man of sin whe revealed to you is a people not walking by the faith of Christ. For anything not from faith is Sin. So to come out from among them would be to be separate from unbelievers which believe not in the sacrifice of Christ for redemption and have not ceased from "their own works". Paul was speaking not of the world (or in that case He said we would have to leave the world itself) but to any man who calls himself a brother but rejects the Truth of Christ by denying Christ by their actions. Seen as works of the law (and sitting in judgement on it) which is a living profession that they deny Christ not in word but in deed.

    What Hath righteousness to do with unrighteousness? Or the Temple of God with idols? Or what sweet fellowship could possibly come between Light in the Lord with Darkness?

    God made two great lights in the begining, one to rule the Night the other the Day. These two camps are seen as separated until God calls one out of darkness into His glorious Light.

    Thats how I see it anyway.

    God Bless

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    Yes, Michelle, I know all about that link. I didn't ask for a link. I asked for specifics concerning your position on secondary separation. Is secondary separation a Biblical principle? If so, by what scriptures?
     
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    Seems to me that scriptural "separation" boils down to, "You may have to live among them but you don't live like them", "You may have to work with them, but your work should be as if unto the Lord", etc.

    Be sanctified through your faith in God!
     
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    Agreed, Wes.
     
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    Yes, Michelle, I know all about that link. I didn't ask for a link. I asked for specifics concerning your position on secondary separation. Is secondary separation a Biblical principle? If so, by what scriptures?
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    I gave that link for the benefit of all here postin on this thread, not in answer to your question to me, to which I choose to ignore because of your argumentative spirit.


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    I would agree with the person who said;
    Corporately from false doctrine. For example the Trinity. Or salvation. Or baptism.
    Individually is a bit more tricky, IMO. For example;
    I do not fellowship with CCM'ers because I see their music as a compromise with the worlds degenerative lifestyles. I will not go as far as to save they are not saved. But on this issue, I must give account before God as to how I lead my home. So if I err, then I err to the side of caution.
    Is this what tfisher1 was looking for?
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    Michelle, this is a forum for debate (study, show differences of opinions), debating baptist issues. You are indeed the one with the hateful spirit as I have pointed out on the other thread. If you can't handle it, maybe you shouldn't be here. Avoid the questions if you like. I personally find it a personal weakness on your part. Again, is secondary separation scriptural? If so, what is your support for the same???
     
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    Av1611...do you separate from CCm'ers corporately as a church? or do you mean you actually won't have any close friends (personally) if they listen to ccm?

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    tfisher1, yes to the first,

    um...since I do not have any close friends,(who are ccm'ers) this one is difficult to answer.
    I would not shun some brother simply because he was a fan of ccm. However, I do not actively seek the friendship of others outside of my church. Strange, now that you mention it, but I do tend to quickly make friends with they who I have things in common. But I do not so quickly make friends of they with whom I have nothing in common. This even includes inside the church environment. Since I have met very few fellers who say they are christian and at the same time are not of my home church, your question is a hard one to accurately answer.
    Ok?
    In His service;
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