Serious Question

How do you expect people in Asia for example, or parts of Africa, to relate to the whiteness and purity of snow, when the whitest thing they have ever seen, is coconut meat ?

And what does an Exkimo know about a lamb better than he does about a seal pup which he sees everyday ?

Do you know what a tricycle is ? Or can you relate to a jeepney as a Filipino knows a jeep ? </font>[/QUOTE]Am I stupid if I am a foreigner, how would I understand the same meaning between "snow" and "coconut" and others?

 

Amen to that! God bless your heart! \O/ Glory to God!!!

 

pinoybaptist! pinoybaptist! You see, what I mean. I agree with Su Wei.

Su Wei,

 

God said He'll preserve the
jots and the tittles, therefore i
reject Summer-time.
I'll be going straight from spring to autumn

Sorry, your statement is a non-Sequetur
(the premises has nothing to do with
the conclusion)

 

No, I do not. I can't believe you are smarter than me, right? However I can see you can't find the solution on "God forbid" on some passages. Go to get the Oxford dictionary. This dictionary agrees with the KJV.
You are so !!!! Tinytim!

</font>[/QUOTE]It is nice to see you admit that the Oxford dictionary is your final source of authority.
I personally don't care if the dictionary agrees with the KJV.
I do care that the KJV doesn't match the TR in the "God forbid" passages.
plain and simple: "God" is not in the original languages in any manuscript. But it is in the KJV.
So unless you believe in advanced revelation, you should be willing to admit the KJV adds to the text in this case.

 

Amen to that! God bless your heart! \O/ Glory to God!!! </font>[/QUOTE]Then show me jots and tittles in the KJV.
If they are the benchmark for what is preserved, then since they are missing in the KJV, then you are saying that the KJV is not preserved.

 

David Cloud is wrong. I have documented that many times as have others. He simply doesn't know what he is talking about.

I have the proof and he has put it in writing.

I have done neither. I have faithfully defended God's word against attacks on it from the likes of David Cloud.

[q/b]He lied; he slandered godly men; and I have seen the letters and the exchanges. Many people have shown him Scripture and urged him to repent of his false doctrine and misleading others ... he has failed. He has shown himself to be a heretic as Titus 3 talks about. He should be rejected by all Bible believing Christians until such time as he repents.

 

YOU said the Oxford dictionary is the authority instead of the KJV.

You need the education if you can't solve the problem on "God forbid." To get this dictionary for educating yourself.

The Oxford dictionary defines "God forbid" as SAME as "me ginomai" in the Greek.

 

Show me, please!

 

Pinoybaptist, you defend the KJV? I saw your website. If I offend you, please forgive me!

 

Ransom, you should know me by now. I wish the KJV would disappear forever and people would use the NASB, ESV, or even the NKJV.

 

YOU said the Oxford dictionary is the authority instead of the KJV.

You need the education if you can't solve the problem on "God forbid." To get this dictionary for educating yourself.

The Oxford dictionary defines "God forbid" as SAME as "me ginomai" in the Greek. </font>[/QUOTE]When did I say the oxford dictionary is the authority?
I don't care how often the oxford dict. says that God forbid is the same as "me ginomai" it is not.
"God forbid" was 1611 slang for may it not be.
I taught my sons that if they use the word "God" in any slang they were cursing.
Dr. Bob is right. It is dynamic equivalance.
It is not word for word. You see we already have words that correspond with "me ginomai" and the word "God" is not one of them.
You can use the Oxford as your final authority, I'll use the Bible.

 

You know, Jewish children are taught Hebrew in their temples/synagogues and have been for years. They do it to read the Torah and retain a sense of cultural identity.

I know, God forbid we actually learn something from non-Christians, but I personally think that isn't a bad idea. Perhaps I should start a thread in another forum, but I'll just throw this out here since you said this. I think we should actually teach koine Greek to our young people (and adults) as part of discipleship training. With homeschooling becoming more popular, perhaps some of the larger churches with well trained pastoral staffs could serve as host "Greek schools" for, at least homeschooled children and any interested adults in their congregations and surrounding congregations.

 

askjo, you said...

Does it surprise you that Oxford also publishes the KJV that the radicals claim is the "pure" Words of God?

P.S. How about the phrase "would to God" which appears in the KJV several times in both the Old and New Testaments with NO Greek support in either the CT or TR?

Example :

KJV Judges 9:29
And would to God this people were under my hand! then would I remove Abimelech. And he said to Abimelech, Increase thine army, and come out.

NKJV:
If only this people were under my authority! Then I would remove Abimelech." So he said to Abimelech, "Increase your army and come out!"

KJV 2 Corinthians 11:1
Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

NASB
I wish that you would bear with me in a little foolishness; but indeed you are bearing with me.

HankD

 

I am not at liberty to post private communication on a public board. Some of his attacks have been in public, such as his attack on Kevin Bauder of Central Seminary. When Cloud was shown to be wrong, he offered only a half-hearted apology and blamed it on his tight schedule not giving him time to research it fully.

He has openly attacked other men, which led to some of the private correspondence that I have.

Cloud's demeanor is not a secret. Even if he was right, he has failed to be gentle with those who oppose (2 Tim 2:24). But more than that, he has simply failed to be right. In this age of information, there is no excuse for the kind of things that he says.

 

Well, for a junior member, I'm about to put my foot in it...but "here goes"...
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the KJV is not itself a translation, but a revision based on the earlier works of Tyndale and others...
If I remember correctly, the first English translation of the Bible was the Geneva Bible in 1599. In fact, the KJV has itself undergone several major revisions: 1629,1638,1762, and 1769.
I would propose the following: that the "best" translation of the Bible is the one that allows the reader to best understand the wonderful plan of salvation through Jesus Christ (I am talking about "mainstream" translations, not such abberations as the New World Translation for example). Let's face it, English is a dynamic, changing language, and many today can not comprehend the syntax, word usage and meaning of 17th century English. In fact, even within our modern culture here in the USA, words and phrases have different meanings depending on what part of the country we find ourselves. Besides all that, I am reminded that it is the Holy Spirit that brings to us understanding and discernment in the reading of God's word....
I would humbly submit that the Lord is well able to preserve His word to us, irregardless of what translation we prefer.

 

If "God forbid" isn't dynamic equivalency in the KJV, what is it?


The Greek 'me ginomai' means neither God nor forbid. All the KJVOnlyist spin on earth cannot alter that fact.