SETI-- a "pseudoscience?"

As of 10 to 15 years ago there was "no evidence that planets existed outside of our solar system".

In the recent case of ID the issue was NOT "who can TEACH ID" it was "IF you are going to teach braindead atheist darwinist evolutionism anyway -- is it CONSTITUTIONAL to ALLOW you to even NOTIFY students that other options such as ID EXIST as a one paragraphs statement telling them that they can go to the library on their own and that a BOOK EXISTS in the library on ID called OFf Pandas and People"

The rank censorship mindset and extremist draconian dark ages mentality that would "Support" such a closed minded ill-informed thought-police mentality must be rejected by most Bible believing Christians who have experienced any enlightenment at all from the freedom we have in Christ. The dark prince of this world has convinced the atheists and compromised evolutionists on "one side of the trial" to wrap their brand of extreme censorship in the flag "as if" the constitution EVER said that "Atheism is the only world view the Constitution approves in public school science classes".

In fact "nothing of the kind" was ever included in the constitution AND certainly not in the declaration of Independence!

But I digress -- to the point of another thread already posted here.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Non-issue:
In 1992 NASA apportioned $12 million to the SETI project but funding was stopped by congress in late '93.

The SETI project has been funded privately since then.

Statistically the SETI project is a waste of time and money.
Pragmatically it's a PR tool for evolutionists.

Rob

 

I do not believe that SETI argues for or against the rank atheist darwinist evolutionist agendas.

The subject is neutral to both atheism and Bible believing Christians.

The only thing that would be "atheist" is to claim to find other sinful fallen intelligences that are not fallen angel. (Likely they would claim evolutionism as their faith one supposes).

Until such a claim is made - the whole field is neutral. In Heb 1:1-5 God claims to have made "The Worlds" through Christ - God the Son.

In Christ,

Bob

 

SETI is privately funded.

The scientific community as a whole thinks they're a bunch of kooks.

Looks consistent to me!

 

Actually there has been NO science at all that has "debunked SETI" even remotely.

The premise of SETI is vital to evolutionists that want to "pretend" that their stories are not just "so much unlikely and impossible wishful thinking". They would LIKE to imagine that their stores are even "probable".

You can't string a bunch of unproven "just so stories" like Darwinian Evolutionists do and then say "and of course this miracle could only have happened right here - one shot to work the miracle". Basically the more "Stand on your head miracles" that Darwinian evolutionists must "promote" they more embarrassing their case!

So "given" that we are in an old universe where this "evolution thing" is happening all the time - they HAVE to conclude "stuff is out there" like us and even beyond "us".

All SETI is doing is "proposing" a way to use our simplistic first generation technology to "detect" something "intelligent".

(Of course Darwinists have already shown a certain allergic reaction to the idea of "intelligence" but that is another story).

In Christ,

Bob

 

What about them? SETI is an organization, not a science or pseudoscience. They're an organization that is searching for evidence of something. In and of itself, there's nothing pseudoscientific about that. Given the immense amount of time it takes radio waves to travel from one star to another, gathering such evidence takes a very long length of time.

 

SCIENCE is completely devoted to the process of reaching into the unknown and gaining understanding of what we do not already know as well as "applying" the knowledge already gained in our efforts to reach into the unknown in the past.

If science could be "limited" to discovering nothing new and just applying what we already know - it would be reduced to nothing more than "arts and crafts".

Evolutionists "love to redefined science" scooting it all over the table in ceaseless efforts to avoid having to confess they are abusing it. As soon as facts in Nature are found that disconfirm their pet doctrines they cry out "it is unconstitutional to know that fact" because that fact does not fit atheism and
Atheist Darwinist evolutionists say that because in their own minds "Science IS Atheism"!!

In the "fear of God" model that they have adopted they want to say "if I don't know it as an atheist it is not science" but science IS very much in the business of reaching into the unknown.

So yes - SETI is very much -- "True SCIENCE". It takes a premise and hypothesis based on observed facts today and is trying to TEST it with something totally foreign to atheist evolutionists -- "predicted and verifiable facts".

Evolutionists have done all in their power to add to their "many redifinitions of science" the definition of "popularity among Atheist scientists". This is the fascinating point in their "abuse of science game" where the rule is made up that if a particular theory being studied is not "popular enough among atheist scientists" then "it is not science".

In Christ,

Bob

 

Some of my favorite science facts include the light coming from galaxies millions of light years away, the presence of more prominance for the extra toes in fossil horses, and the shared vitamin c defiency with other primates.

These indicate old earth and evolution.

What are some of your favorite facts of science?

 

Stasis as S. J. Gould likes to call it.

Irreducible complexity as Dr Behe likes to Call it.

For a few.

(As contrasted to what Colin Patterson calls "Stories EASY ENOUGH to TELL but they are NOT science".

But the point of this thread is that SETI - is merely another branch of study trying to solve a puzzle using all the available science at hand to do so.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Stasis - as in keeping a good design going once its settled into? Hardly an argument against evolution.

Irrducible complexity? That's only a conjecture.

 

(Irreducible complexity of protein engines, encoding and decoding systems, error correcting systems etc) is in fact "observation" that is "clearly seen in nature". Complexities in nature are something even "the pagans can see" according to Romans 1 and Francis Crick.

But for a true believer in Atheist Darwinian evolutionism these are all just "more inconvenient facts to gloss over".

How "predictable".

But the point of this thread is that SETI - is merely another branch of study trying to solve a puzzle using all the available science at hand to do so.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Oh, I freely concede the complexity. Its the irriducible part of the phrase that is conjecture, pure and simple.

 

I saw one quote from Carl Sagan, who was supposed to be one of the first to promote SETI....
someone asked Sagan "how many messages would it take to convince you that there is intelligent life in the universe?"
Sagan said "just one message."

So if just one message was enough to convince an atheist that there was intelligent life elsewhere, why wouldn't the 3 billion bit message encoded in DNA convince him?

It convinced Antony Flew.

 

No.

What "convinced" Flew was that he thought that the origin of life was too difficult. He also admitted at the time that recent work on abiogenesis was not something with which he had kept up with. He did not know what ideas were out there. After checking it out, he said "I now realize that I have made a fool of myself by believing that there were no presentable theories of the development of inanimate matter up to the first living creature capable of reproduction."

As far as the other, just what message is that you think that we can find in the genome? The genome bears all of the traits that one would expect if it had been built up over billions of years through natural processes.

 

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You mean as in the "complexity showing intelligent Design and the invisible attributes of infinite God clearly seen EVEN by pagans in those things that HAVE BEEN MADE"??

Is this where you step up to the level of an unbelieving pagan on the topic of creation and signs of intelligence?

I would be greatly surprised to see you step up to that point - you have been very reluctant to go there in the past.

 

Alcott, you're making a common mistake. You're confusing Sagan's "teeming with life" belief with teeming with intelligent life".

I, too, believe that the universe is abundant with life elswhere besides this planet. But somewhere, we humans have permitted out self-centeredness to presume that life elsewhere equals aliens with two eyes, two arms, two legs, 6 feet tall, etc etc etc. On the contrary. Life forms elsewhere will be subject to their individual environment, and may not remotely resemble living things we come into contact with (animals, plants, etc). Now, taht said, do I believe that there are other life forms that are able to communicate with us? I think it's possible, but as far as likelihood, I haven't a clue. Plus, the distance of space makes it, at least today, incredibly unlikely to come into contact with one. But should we listen? Of that I have no objection.

The Christian community was denouncing the search for planets on other stars, insisting they didn't exist. Since the days of Sagan, we've found stars with other planets. Then, Christians said earthlike planets were an impossibility. We're just now beginning to find earthlike planets. Now, the Christian community is once again raising the bar and saying "there's no life on any other earthlike planets". I'm sure than, in my lifetime, we will find some form of life on another planet. I'm guessing such discovered like will be a bacteria or somethign similar. When this happens, I have no doubt Christians will once again raise the bar.