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Yawn. Anyone else care to answer the questions that brave Matt Wade would not answer in post #86...that is besides his comrade in error, mr. uh, Cassidy?

Yours truly, mr. 'rocker'. Thumbsup

 

I did answer in #87. Maybe a demon is obstructing your view?

 

For everyone else: He did NOT answer my questions: Proof:

In reaction to what I said: "P.S. How much is too much? At what point is God displeased with drinking wine and beyond moderation? One drink? Two? Three? Four? Five? etc. ..............please specify and then give scripture to prove your point.

Matt Wade said:

God is displeased when wine becomes an addiction and therefore an idol in our lives.

WHERE did he specify the limit to what is drinking in moderation? I specifically asked him to specify what is no longer moderation. So where is that answer? The truth is that he did not specify nor pinpoint what is beyond moderation nor did he quote scripture BECAUSE HE CANNOT ...and he knows it. Nor did he answer my documentation concerning 'intoxication' as revealed by the Texas State Police and that it is indeed a word that comes from toxin --- which equals 'poison'...because he cannot.

This is why he will receive no more replies from me on this subject.

 

How absurd. Fermented wine had yeast in it too.

 

So what? It was not harmful in that state. Please read the pertinent posts above where this was discussed for you obviously missed it.

 

When ones stomach is full. That is of course different with each person. I can't speak for everyone else but I know just what my limitation is on this matter.

But the Bible doesn't tell us to abstain from food; it does tell us to abstain from intoxicating liquids. Prov. 20:1 & 23:31-32.

 

No, he did not and that is a purely prejudiced answer. Question: Do you or do you not partake of intoxicating beverages (as defined by law)? If the answer is 'yes' then we see the reason for such prejudiced thinking. If not then one must wonder why you would take such a position that is at deference with the text of scripture which warns us to not even LOOK at fermented wine.

 

Hey if I can't compare marriage to wine, then you can't start talking about pot. Fair is fair.

As far as the word condemning, though, comparing something to pornography or adultery seems like a condemnation to me. Your mileage may vary.

 

You can repeating it, but it won't change that the scripture you post doesn't support that.

 

Why is it that some on here strain at a gnat and swallow a camel?... Then again this is called The Baptist Board... And frankly this Baptist is bored!... I will see all you brethren on another post... Brother Glen

 

Seems like Holy Spirit conviction to me...but you aren't liking it.

Which indicates the seriousness of your error. But we have not started calling names as those on your side of the matter. We have simply presented the scriptures and man's law concerning intoxication. That position is very strong. How? Well, why would the Holy Spirit lead Solomon to write "Look not upon the wine..." giving us warning to not dwell on even the sight of fermented wine IF IN FACT it's quite all right to drink it if we don't drink too much. How shallow it this? So we can drink it ....as long as we don't LOOK AT IT?

IF you can make common sense out of that kind of thinking then you will have a titanic problem explaining it to us.

 

Answering for the third time...the verse in Proverbs says not to look at wine in the midst of fermenting, not the finished product.

Don't expect you to actually address this though.

 

Good question: so why are those who hold to your position doing that? We are plainly told to not even LOOK at wine in its fermented (intoxicating!) condition...and yet some of you think that its still quite all right to drink it---oh, but in moderation!

The spirits(devils) agree.


Concerning John the Baptist we are told: Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

But John's example isn't good enough for those of you who are compromising on this biblical principle. You make one excuse after another for a behavior that never was approved by God.

I would challenge the readers who drink: the next time you wish to drink your wine....be sure and not LOOK at it before you drink it. Perhaps that will help your conscience feel better.

 

Still ignoring that the verse doesn't talk to fermented wine, but wine in the process of fermenting.

 

Furthermore, why would God warn us to not LOOK at a fermenting beverage if that wine had NOT (from His view) reached the dangerous stage of intoxication? The point: no one has ever gotten drunk by drinking mere grape juice (the 'fruit of the vine') so why would He give a warning in the first place? It is therefore utterly dishonest to conclude that God tolerates imbibing a drink that is even partially fermented...for why would He give the warning if there is no danger in such a liquid condition to begin with?

To tell you the truth, friends, it is very troubling for me to see the incredibly shallow opinions on the part of my Baptist brethren on such matters.

 

Glad you asked. Fermenting wine can produce gases that are harmful when breathed. God was protecting us by telling us not to look upon the wine until it was done fermenting.

 

Well, I'm getting a bit tired. I'll head home now and get back here briefly tomorrow.

Mr. Cassidy, I am still waiting for you to quote me on that false charge you made. If you can quote me proving that I said virtually everyone I've known is demonized then you win and I will have to apologize.

 

You have a hard time following conversations, don't you? I made the charge and already explained it.