Should Baptists Defend Porn Perverts & Adult Bookstores?

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  1. rbrent

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    Read the posts here - Thread That Prompted This Question

    and notice the weird responses from many of the Baptists who posted.

    Now some Baptists are disparaging Christians who try to protect their neighborhood from perverts and porn addicts.

    Weird! Weird! Weird!

    CHURCH FIGHTS PORN PERVERTS


    “...Tired of the bickering, Norwood and a group of church volunteers last month armed themselves with digital cameras and began patrolling the parking lots of the two businesses still involved in the lawsuit...”

    “...At least once a week, a volunteer traces the license plate numbers to the owners of the cars using an online service that searches an automotive database for a fee. In Texas, license information is a matter of public record. So far, 300 postcards have been mailed, Norwood said...”

    “...The cost of the program, which could reach $15,000 a year, is covered by donations from local businesses and private individuals...”

    “...His postcards list a schedule of church services and the church's "counseling and classes on sexual addictions..."

    ”...John Gamboa, a lawyer for one of the businesses that has settled with the city, said Norwood's photo campaign is harmless. "If this man wants to spend money on postcards, fine. As long as he stays within the bounds of the law, he has every right to do it...”

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    I think is is decidedly UNCHRISTIAN for professing Baptist Christians to bash Christian church members who try to protect their neighborhood and their children and their ladies from the perverts and porno freaks who frequent the porno bookstores near their church building.

    What do you think? [​IMG]
     
  2. Johnv

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    I think we just finished this topic in another thread.
     
  3. rbrent

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    The other thread is not a "debate" thread.

    That is the reason I started a new thread here. [​IMG]
     
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    Not disparaging the motives, just the methods.
     
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    It's not a defense of adult book stores, but a defense of our freedoms in this country. If they are censored and do not have the right, when is the secular government in a Christ hating world going to say Christians do not the right? After all Christian material says everyone but us(Christan's) are going to hell, what about the so called 'hate speech' in the Christian book store's books and the bible.
    Nope it's freedom in our country, for everyone. And you have to think ahead of the consequences.
     
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    Amen, Sister DonnA -- Preach it!

    rbrent's source says: "In Texas, license information
    is a matter of public record"

    Not on the internet.
    On Google i get:

    "Your search - "Texas public records" "vehicle tags"
    - did not match any documents."

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    rbrent's source says: "At least once a week, a volunteer
    traces the license plate numbers to the owners
    of the cars using an online service that searches
    an automotive database for a fee.
    In Texas, license information is a matter of public record.'

    These two statements appear to be self-contradictory.
    "Public record" means you don't have to search for a fee.

    [ February 05, 2004, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: Ed Edwards ]
     
  7. Johnv

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    In my city, an adult book/video store must be at least 100 years from a school or residence. That law was designed to protect kind and families. If an adult bookstore owner sets up shop according to those guidelines, then he has the freedom to do so. BTW, there are no adult bookstores in my city, because most retail centers are near residential tracts or schools.

    But let's turn the tables. If the adult bookstore owner videotaped everyone going into church, and got the license plate info, and sent everyone in the church parking lot a 50% off coupon towards the purchase of any pornographic material in his store, we'd all be crying "harrassment".

    Waving a Bible in front of you when you're acting in an unchristian manner doesn't absolve your actions.

    BTW, does anyone remember the TV show "My Sister Sam"? The costar of the show was shot by a fan who jotted down her license plate number when she left the studio. He got the info from the DMV, went to her house, knocked on her door, and killed her when she answered. That resulted in a law that forbids the general public from obtaining residential information from vehicle license numbers.
     
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    The responses are weird because we disagreed with the methods?

    No one said that they approved of the Adult
    Video Stores!

    Further, no one was bashing anyone.

    I resent the topic of this thread! No one was defending Porn or Adult Bookstores!
     
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    From my perspective I see very little difference between purveyors of pornography, and prostitutes.

    By identifying the "johns" that solicit despicable wares, those that are seeking to clean-up their community are effective.

    I would not want drug addicts, prostitutes, porno-addicts, soliciting trade in my community, on the same streets my children walk.

    Its just too bad that those sleeze-bags don't have their names published in the local paper.


    A servant of Christ,
    Drew
     
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    The responses read to me like they are disparaging the motives...Here's a sample...

    Jim1999 wrote:
    “some will do anything to invade the privacy and individual rights of others”.

    rbrent - So - perverts have an individual right to come into the neighborhood of a Christian Church to buy or rent pornography?

    Jim1999 - “Disgusting! They should be ashamed of themselves.”

    rbrent - It’s disgusting to confront perverts and the Christians who dare to confront this hellbound culture should be ashamed of themselves?
    You learned that attitude out of which bible?

    russell55 - “Why would a group of believers be so obsessed with what particular sinners are doing? Stalking people in order to catch them in the act of sinning... ”

    donnA - “We can not focus on one particular sin. All have sinned, no matter what the sin is.”

    Thankful - “I wonder if there is some law against what this church is doing.”

    LadyEagle - “This type of behavior is not Christ like and repulses people to the Gospel of Christ.”

    rsr - “I think it's disgusting and incredibly misguided. What is the New Testament example for anything like this?”

    Terry_Herrington - "Many times Christians get upset about sins they secretly wish they could do. Perhaps this is the situation concerning this pastor and his church.

    Grace1998 " What is the true reason for doing such a thing?"

    dianetavegia - "Terry, the full article talks about the pastor's past life. You hit the nail on the head.

    Charlesga - "I'm sure the pastor struggles with sin is some area(s) of his life, so maybe people should send him postcards to "catch" him?"

    It DOES sound to me like some of the posters quoted above ARE bashing the church's motive...
     
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    I "ditto" Bro.Drew's sentiments and I also think this church deserves an "A"! [​IMG]
     
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    So what? What this guy is doing is wrong (mind you, this is not a defense of porn solicitors). And disguising it with "church invitations" makes it all the more deplorable.
     
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    Viewing pornography (in a concealed business or home) is legal. Prostitution is illegal.

    Then the way to combat it is to have your local city council pass a law that limits or bans adult bookstores/videostores. Until then, they're not doing anything illegal.

    This reminds me of a local church that was trying to get a Victoria's Secret out of the local mall, under the pretense that it was an "adult" franchise. It would have been terrible if I had been "identified" as a smut purveyor for simply purchasing undergarments for my wife!!!! :eek:
     
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    donnA wrote - “It's not a defense of adult book stores, but a defense of our freedoms...it's freedom in our country, for everyone...”

    I hope I have misunderstood your post donnA - Are you saying that if we Christians fail to defend the rights of porn purveying adult bookstores, we’ll loose our rights as Christians?

    Ed Edwards wrote - rbrent's source says: "In Texas, license information
    is a matter of public record... Not on the internet.”

    Actually Ed, ANYONE can get addresses based on license numbers by subscribing to one of the many services which sell that information on the internet.

    The seller contracts with the states to purchase the information and resell it to anyone - usually businesses and private investigators.

    Some churches buy the information from public utilities and driver licenses which have been updated due to an address change, so they can contact the people at their new address.

    Ed Edwards wrote - “"Public record" means you don't have to search for a fee.”

    That is often not the case. We have a right to see public records but most of the time, when a public records request is made, the government fulfilling the request charges a fee per page.

    Thankful wrote - “Further, no one was bashing anyone. I resent the topic of this thread! No one was defending Porn or Adult Bookstores!”

    As noted in my post above, it sure sounds like the “rights” of the porn purveyors and the porn buyers/renters were being defended...

    Johnv wrote - “Then the way to combat it is to have your local city council pass a law that limits or bans adult bookstores/videostores. Until then, they're not doing anything illegal.

    But Johnv, are they doing anything immoral?

    Must the body of Christ refrain from ever confronting sinners as long as “they aren’t doing anything illegal?”
     
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    Then the way to combat it is to have your local city council pass a law that limits or bans adult bookstores/videostores. Until then, they're not doing anything illegal.
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    And neither is the Church doing anything illegal, and maybe turning a few addicts around.


    A servant of Christ,
    Drew
     
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    There is a major porn outlet, just off I-70 by Abilene. Local Brothers in Christ are noting the Commercial names off of any trucks which stop, and letting the truckers know through signs that the respective companies will be notified that their drivers are stopping-in for porn.

    May they continue to shine a light upon the darkness of iniquity.

    A servant of Christ,
    Drew
     
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    "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye tattle on them and embarrass them."

    What a great witness for Christ! I'm sure these men are so excited to become Christians that they are knocking down the church doors.
     
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    Yes they are, and they have that right, so long as it's in private. The law forbids public use or display of pornographic and obscene material, so it must remain in private.

    If you have a neighbor who's home watching football, and the ref makes a bad call, and he yells out a phrase that takes the name of the Lord in vain, should he be subject to the same judgement?

    What if the church took the "graven image" commandment to the extreme, and felt that depictions of Christ on screen was immoral? Should such a church be allowed to subject everyone who goes to see "The Passion of the Christ" to the same judgement?

    If a person gets drunk and is in his own house, should he be subject to the same judgement?

    Morality vs liberty, folks. We're called to be lights OF the world, not lights AT the world. We're called to be salt OF the earth, not throw salt AT the earth. We're called to live by example, not live by comparison to another's example.
     
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    Grace1998 wrote - "So what? What this guy is doing is wrong (mind you, this is not a defense of porn solicitors)."

    AND its wrong based on which scripture?

    Based on whose standards?

    Are you reaching any porno freaks with the gospel?

    This pastor was into porn more than 25 years ago when he got saved and he knows how destructive it is and he's trying to reach folks whose lives are being destroyed by porn.

    But Hold everything! Stop the Presses! ...Its wrong for a Christian Pastor to confront porno businesses and the perverts those businesses draw into his neighborhood...

    He should shut up and stay inside the four walls of his church and let the neighborhood go to hell, I guess...

    Did you notice in the article, that businesses and individuals in the neighborhood are donating the funds to support this brave pastor in his efforts to clean up his neighborhood?

    I've gotta say it again:

    Some of the responses to this situation are WEIRD! WEIRD!! WEIRD!!!
     
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    Good for him. And now he can lend a hand in completely destroying a marriage/family/relationship by sending a picture of the person's car parked in the lot, rather than being a real man and going to these people personally and telling them that there is a way out.

    Again, there is nothing good about this guy's motive/method.

    Taking snap shots of cars in a parking lot and sending them in the mail??? Yea... that's real brave. :rolleyes:
     

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