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Should Christians celebrate Kwanzaa??

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  1. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    Do you know the background of Kwanzaa -- who started it?

    I heard today that the guy was a racist and a felon who had committed crimes against black women etc.

    I have heard that it is not a religious holiday at all - but more of a socialist humanist holiday.

    Thoughts? Research?

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
    #1 BobRyan, Dec 22, 2004
  2. PastorLynn

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    Bob there is just too much to post here. But here is a link to a page entitled "Everything Kwanzaa" from the Los Angeles Times.
    http://www.tike.com/celeb-kw.htm
     
    #2 PastorLynn, Dec 22, 2004
  3. Gina B

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    If they're black and feel like it, why not? Sweetest day isn't religious either but we all usually still buy someone we love a bit of candy or a card. [​IMG] Gina
     
    #3 Gina B, Dec 23, 2004
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    Never heard of it or the Sweetest day either, what is wrong with valentines Day or is it unknown in the USA....
     
    #4 Melanie, Dec 23, 2004
  5. John3v36

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    NO!
     
    #5 John3v36, Dec 23, 2004
  6. dianetavegia

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    NO
     
    #6 dianetavegia, Dec 23, 2004
  7. Gina B

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    Why?
     
    #7 Gina B, Dec 23, 2004
  8. music4Him

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    Bob~ I would have to say no Christians should not celebrate kwanzaa. This aritcal below has the information as how it came about by black minister asking his congragation to stop......


    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42019

    Some times I wonder how people think of more ways to put others under bondage.......then I read articals like this. :(
     
    #8 music4Him, Dec 23, 2004
  9. Gina B

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    http://www.officialkwanzaawebsite.org/origins1.html
     
    #9 Gina B, Dec 23, 2004
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    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42019

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    In a 1978 interview quoted in the Washington Post, Karenga said, "People think it's African, but it's not. I came up with Kwanzaa because black people in this country wouldn't celebrate it if they knew it was American. Also, I put it around Christmas because I knew that's when a lot of bloods (blacks) would be partying."
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    #10 music4Him, Dec 23, 2004
  11. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    That link by PastorLynn was very informative!

    I provide another one at the end of this post that tells us that Ron Everett is the actual birth name of the man who now calls himself Maulana Karenga. A man who invented this game in 1966, and also at that time was leading out in racist organizations. Then later in the 70's he tortures two of his followers (as described in PastorLynn's link) (went to prison 71, released in 74)

    Details here
    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25998

    He claims he made it up as an African-ish celebration because he did not think people would jump on it if it was American.

    Interesting that he uses American plants (Corn I think) and picks the Christmas season just because he sees it as a good time of the year to party.

    This is the link about Ron Everett -- alias Maulana Karenga

    http://www.textbookleague.org/114kwanz.htm

    I guess I have to agree - this guy sounds like a creep. At least he is honest enough not to call that game he made up - a "religious holiday".

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
    #11 BobRyan, Dec 23, 2004
  12. music4Him

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    ALso there is a "related column" at the bottom of the artical I posted, that tells a little more of the 7 "principles" celebrated during kwanzaa......Seven Principles, of African culture. These are (1)unity, (2)self-determination, (3)collective work and responsibility, (4)cooperative economics, (5)purpose, (6)creativity and (7)faith.

    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25998
     
    #12 music4Him, Dec 23, 2004
  13. tamborine lady

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    [​IMG]

    I think this holiday is another one of satans tricks to lead people away from Jesus.

    Isn't it interesting that it is in December, when we are celebrating the birth of Jesus?

    It's just something else to pull people away from concentrating on the Lord!!

    :eek: [​IMG]

    Peace,

    Tam
     
    #13 tamborine lady, Dec 23, 2004
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    The real joke is - I don't know of any folks who actually celebrate it in their homes, with the candles and stuff, like Hannukah.

    Maybe it's only in the media and in public displays and in community centers. The packaging, but nothing inside.
     
    #14 Debby in Philly, Dec 23, 2004
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    I think that any suggestion that most people at Christmas are concentrating on Jesus needs a reality check.
     
    #15 The Undiscovered Country, Dec 24, 2004
  16. tamborine lady

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    [​IMG]

    Thats my point,The Undiscovered Country. not too many people do concentrate on Jesus at this time of the year.

    Satan has done his work well!

    Too bad we as Christians don't do more to remind people what Christmas is all about.

    Peace,

    Tammy
     
    #16 tamborine lady, Dec 24, 2004
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    I know none of my black friends celebrate Kwanzaa. They think it is a bunch of nonsense. Also, none of them call themselves African Americans. My best friend says he has never been to Africa, doesn't want to go to Africa and doesn't want to be called an African. He is an American and a Christian. His family celebrates Christmas as we do.

    Although there are many who never give Jesus' birth a thought at this time, I would not say that most of us don't think of the birth of Jesus during Christmas. I believe we all go to church regularly and the church pays particular attention to Jesus' birth during this time. Most Christians I know will celebrate the birth of the Savior in our worship time and in the prayers we say at our meals. Christian homes reflect the true spirit of Christmas (yes, even with the tree, the tinsel and lights). The baby Jesus had a bright star overhead at his birth and gifts.
    Christ's birth was a joyous event for mankind and we should celebrate it with music, laughter, fellowship, family, gift giving and love.

    It doesn't matter which day he was born on. The date is totally unimportant. The fact that God became man and came to earth to save us from our sins should be celebrated every day.
     
    #17 delly, Dec 25, 2004
  18. dianetavegia

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    The college football coach and his wife who is an executive with BSA put up Kwanza decorations two years in a row on Christmas Day and began blaring strange music from outside speakers. They live two house down and across the street from us. This year they put up Christmas decorations and a tree. Their children are about 5 and 8 but don't play with the other neighborhood children.

    This family doesn't go to church. We see them on their big front porch having coffee and reading the paper when we leave for church and the dad is usually doing things in the yard when we get home from church.
     
    #18 dianetavegia, Dec 25, 2004
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    [ December 29, 2004, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]
     
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  20. DHK

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    Kwaanza? Do you celebrate Saturnalia? Hanukkah? Ramazan? eid-al-Adha? Waitaingi? Ash Wednesday? Juarez' Birthday? Maundy Thursday? Anzac Day? Emperor's Birthday? Day of Reformation? Physical Culture Day? Eid-al-Fitr? etc. There are many more. How many celebrations would you like to celebrate? Do you feel compelled to celebrate every religious celebration of every nation, every religion, all over the world? Isn't Christianity good enough for you? Doesn' it meet your needs. Is not Jesus Christ sufficient for your faith, that you have to look elsewhere??
    DHK
     
    #20 DHK, Dec 29, 2004
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