Should Christians Vote???

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  1. TaliOrlando

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    Should Christians Vote???
     
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    No . . . is the simple answer :)
     
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    I dont think Christians should vote because Politicians say a whole lot of things just to win votes then they dont really do them. So you are helping to put into office by your influence ...God knows what...

    PLus they are all worldly anyway, they have to be in order to be able to climb up that high in the world.
     
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    The way the electoral process has been rigged to favor the interests of big money rather than the interests of citizens, combined with the irregularities of vote counting, the better question may be, should Americans vote?

    As to should Christians vote? I think I, for one, am done with it. Every vote I've ever cast for a winner has eventually manifested as a bad man. The votes for the good men who are faithful to the constitution have gone for naught because so many Americans would rather vote for evil (also known as the lesser of two). I think it is time to focus on a better country.

    "But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city." - Hebrews 11:16
     
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    I think we would get better results if we committed to voting on our knees with fasting.
     
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    That's the reason why we shouldn't vote, not becuase the system has broken down over the years, but we are not citizens here. Our fight is not earthly it is spiritual.

    The Bible tells us that it is God Himself that establishes rulers and takes them out. Are we so arrogant today as believers to think that God needs our help by voting? God is going to place whomever He wants in which ever office He wants with or without our votes!

    We should be focused on other things.
     
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    Actually, I would prefer your long answer. I would like to know why you think that way.


    YES, a MIGHTY YES, YES, YES; YES we do need to vote.
    I know, many will say that my vote doesent count. But let me give you some stats from the 2002 NY Governers race. (Note: NY has the fusion ballot {also known as the open ballot} see http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/fusion.html )
    George Pataki recieved 176,848 of his votes on the Conservative Line, which was 7.82% of his total vote. The Conservatives were sending a message. The Right to Life Party had 44,195 votes. If only 5,805 people had voted, they would have retained ballott status. That makes a big difference to me. If I want to run on the Right to Life party I will need 1500 signatures, since they do not have ballot status. Had they received the needed 50,000 votes (statewide) I would only need 30 - thats THIRTY signatures from party members.
    I might also point out the Mr. Gollsano recieved 654,016 votes (13.94%). This is basically the NY version of Mr.Perot and the Reformed Party.
    In Total there were 10 parties running a total of eight candidates.

    When you vote, you are sending a message. So Please vote. Do not vote for the lesser of two evils (as you are still voting for evil) you can always make a write in vote.
    Since the Assembly race in my distict (#120) has no one opposing the incumbent, I am waging a write-in campaign. I am sending a message to our State Assemblyman!

    Salty

    Ps, did I mention PLEASE VOTE
     
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    What about voting for a gay marriage ammendment which will be on the Nov. ballot in Tennessee?
     
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    Salty I actually preached on this very issue Wednesday night. If you would like you can PM your email address and I'll email you my notes if you would like.

    But the bottom line is God establishes rulers and He takes them out. God is going to put into office EXACTLY who He wants in there whether I vote or not.

    Secondly participating in the political process is entangling ourselves with the affiars of this world and it is a battle that is not ours. Our battle is a spiritual battle, not an earthly battle.

    I could go on and on :)
     
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    If you have to ask, do us all a favor and please don't vote.
     
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    I do see your point. So let me be a bit more specific:

    Vote intellgently
    Be an informed voter
    Know for whom you are voting
    Know WHY you are voting for someone
    Attend debates and other similiar informational meetings
    DO NOT be compelled to vote a straight ticket

    any other suggestions
     
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    All these people who forget that while this is not our permanent home it is still our home and we are called to be model citizens, Romans 13 for those of you who have forgotten. Do your duty for the people of our country and make an informed vote.
     
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    I dont remember Jesus getting involved in anything of the world, in fact He said "My Kingdom is NOT of this world".

    Jesus kept aloof from earthly governments. The cure for the problems of humanity are not to be found in merely human and external measures. The heart must be regenerated and only the Holy Spirit can perform this work.

    Courts and legislative assemblies cannot establish the kingdom of Christ. "As many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12, 13. This is the only power that can work the uplifting of humanity. Our job is to teach and practice of the word of God. Not to try to force our will upon others.
     
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    I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if wasted a vote on the clowns we have Down Under. Even if there is a good one here the preferential voting system scam means the majors are almost bomb-proof.

    If you do manage to find a good one, great, vote for them. Vote or not, pray for them all.
     
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    Romans 13 doesn't tell us that we are mandated to vote as believers. It tells us we are to obey the government. And it is not mandated by law that we vote. Voting is voluntary, not commanded.

    And Claudia hit the nail on the head once again:



    If we think that voting is the answer to the ills of this nation then we have some awfully powerful rose colored glasses that need to be removed so reality and Truth can set in.
     
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    And there inlies the only command and only political responsibility that Scripture places on a believer. We are to pray for our officials, and may God forgive me for being WAY too slack in that area!
     
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    Is nobody willling to answer my question?
     
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    Amy I think voting is voting, so I would say no you should not place a vote one way or the other. It's not going to matter. Homosexuals are still going to practice homosexuality whether gay marriage is passed or not. We are not to entangle ourselves with the cares of this world.

    We should be focused on the coming kingdom of Christ and making sure that we are going to be able to have a place in that kingdom to rule and reign with the King of kings and Lord of lords!

    Our battle is not earthly it is spiritual.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    I concur. Before a political shift for our people can occur, a theological shift must precede it, as a people gets the government it deserves. Should we return to the old paths of being a Christian people, then we will see God's miracles worked in gov't. Until then, we will be under the yolk of the current oppresive, socialist gov't and we will continue to see our liberty eroded. Better to apply efforts to winning souls for Christ's Kingdom then to spend time fighting the tide of heathenism in this earthly empire.

    "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams, October 11, 1798​
     
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    AMEN to that JJ
     

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