Should God have compassion?

Hi HonSola,

Tell me then if God's heart is for all to be saved then why doesn't He save everyone? </font>[/QUOTE]Better yet, why does He select some over others for salvation? Your reply will be the answer to your own strawman.

 

If as Bob says God is obligated to save Ninevah why is He not obliged to save everyone. This is not a figment is iot webdog?

He chooses who ever for salvation as Ninevah shows.

john.

 

I don't believe God is obligated to save anyone outside of His requirements for salvation. If God put's the requirements for salvation out there, and tells us we will be saved if we follow them, God IS obligated to save those people. If He didn't, He would be a liar and not God.
If I told you that if you followed me around my city for a day, and in return I promise to give you $1000, am I obligated to give you the money if you fulfil your end of the requirement? God put the requirements for salvation plain as day, and if we accept them, He will fulfil His end of the deal. If we don't, He won't.

 

As to God's obligation to save Nineveh, if He told Jonah to preach that if they turn from wickedness He will spare them, and they did, God is obligated to fulfil His end or He would be a liar. Notice their safety was contingent on them turning from wickedness. They were destroyed at a future date for not keeping their end of the deal.

 

Actually Jonah did not preach Repentance to Ninevah. It was a message of Judgment BUT the fear of God led them to Repentance and to rest on His Grace.

I think in all of this we see that the Ninevites,

1. BELIEVED THE WORD OF GOD - That Ninevah would be destroyed

2.THEY REPENTED - Though they were not told to in Jonah’s sermon, the fear of God brought forth repentance in their hearts.

2 Tim. 2:25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

3. THEY RESTED ON THE GRACE OF GOD

Jonah's message offered no grace, no mercy but the Ninevites through the conviction of the Holy Spirit through the Word of God rested on the Grace of God.

 

Hello webdog.

So He never really forgave them just postponed judgement. Strange forgiveness that isn't it? Strange mercy.

john.

 

So He never really forgave them just postponed judgement. Strange forgiveness that isn't it? Strange mercy.

john. </font>[/QUOTE]John, your are something else
He did forgive them. When He destroyed them, it was a separate act.

You steal something. The judge can put you in jail, but forgives the crime and puts you on probation instead. You steal again. You are saying all future punishment for stealing should be forgiven because the first one was? The judge put's you in jail this time. You would say to him "I thought you REALLY forgave me, why are you putting me in jail"?

[ September 06, 2005, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: webdog ]

 

Hello webdog.

A judge cannot forgive a crime but can show leniency and place a person on probation. If that person commits a crime within a specified time period the old charge will be applied with full force. Probation isn't forgiveness.

No I'm not saying it should be I'm saying it is. For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Col 1:14. Of course my sins are not counted against me. Jesus died for me, in my place, for my sins. A full and free pardon from the King of the Universe for me is assured. I am free. Jesus took my punishment

I thought He really forgave me? Are you saying He hasn't?

It's what I said yesterday: You will not find a good Calvinist ask an Arminian. Be perfect then webdog.

Believe it or not you are not the first to say that.


john.

 

I won't get into this back and forth thing again, but I will say that Nineveh was a wicked city, not a city of believers. You are jumping around using atonement as the basis for God's punishment on them. God put a consequence for Nineveh's actions and a result based on their choice. This did not cover all future choices or actions of that city.

 

I don't think it is our place to ask what qualities God should or should not have, but rather, what qualities does the bible show that He has.

 

TexasSky, I agree with you 100%.

The Bible say's it, I believe it and that's it!

 

Dear Bob,

It really is simple. Jonah 4 does not address whether God is obligated to have mercy. It does address whether it would be wrong for God to show mercy. By using Jonah 4 as support for your question you misused scripture.

You just did it again, in that last post. You said "God asks Jonah if he should have mercy ...". No, God did not ask Jonah if He should have mercy. God asked Jonah if He should not have mercy.

Later you said this:

No, Bob, that is not what He asks. Your argument simply will not work unless you leave out a word that scripture leaves in.

Please quote scripture correctly.

Your friend,

whatever

 

Bandwidth Bob is back I see.

john.