Should Ted Haggard Lead a Church?

What What Geeze...ROFL!

 

Actually, Andy has absolutely nothing to do with me being Non-Cal. I was reared in SBC churches and occasionally Base Chapel. I was long since a Non-Cal prior to going to Wiregrass. Wiregrass is totally new experience and path in my life. Never thought I would "dial" into a contemporary church....but I have.

 

How did this thread turn into a conversation about Dr. Stanley? Its about Ted Haggard.

 

Yeah—I really didn’t think that’s where you got your doctrinal ideas—I just recently heard someone talking about Andy being a leading advocate for Arminianism--- and thought it was funny you go 2 his church considering your non-Cal views. We maybe at different ends of the soteriology debate, but believe me I know that you’re a highly intelligent individual who thinks for himself & desires Scriptural truth as the basis of your personal theology--regardless of what any church leader teaches. And I’m glad to hear you’ve found a church that you love—even if it has Arminian Andy as its leader-

 

I think because the two are alike.

 

What? Are you serious??

 

Brother righteousdude- although I knew who Haggard was (ie a recognized leader of Evangelical Christianity)- I personally never heard him speak until a history channel investigation about the end times. Ironically, very soon after this I saw that he got in trouble for his anti-biblical ways. A little while after this (ie when he got publicly shamed) I saw a HBO special that showed his life after his fall----- where he had no job, no money, no house or any real friends. Considering that none of us are perfect, I honestly felt sorry for the guy b/c he really seemed repentant for his actions. And my reaction to the documentary was—this guy made a major mistake—he was a church leader & genuinely contradicted Scripture—but God caught him in his sin & quickly humbled him! He knows he did wrong, repented for his sinful ways & just wants to get on with his life. So be it, and I honestly thought he’d just drift away in self-guilt until he died. But to my surprise, he starts a new church & proclaims he’s multi-gender-----MAN—do I recant ever having pity for him! He really could have been an example of how even church leaders sin & need forgiveness-- But instead—his recent actions are nothing more than appalling and simply contradict Scripture!! Although God would certainly forgive his actions—he really does not seem to want forgiveness--- but seems to only want acceptance for his sinful ways! At this point I simply wish he’d just stop associating himself with Christianity, & step down as a church leader! Sorry if that’s to harsh—but that’s just simply how I see the situation!

 

Because of his immorality Ted has disqualified himself from being a senior pastor of any church.

If he wants to return to vocational ministry that would be fine but he needs to put serious distance between himself and his sin. When I hear Ted talk, when I listen to his interviews, when I watch his life now I see someone who hasn't been changed and is very vindictive towards those who he has a grudge against. His interview persist on being more about him than his Savior.

The pastoral ministry is something we must uphold with high regard. A pastor is held to a higher judgment on earth and in Heaven. For Ted to have transgressed as badly as he did and then spurn church appointed restoration removes him from pastoral service.

Ted wasn't nearly as influential as he purports himself to be in his bio. NAE is one of the loosest, most disorganized groups ever created. Since its inception in the 1930s it has always claimed a certain number of members but it bears no actual membership list. Also Ted didn't have the "ear of President Bush" but was invited to be on a conference call with folks from the administration. Ted's penchant for making himself more than what he is goes hand-in-hand with his difficulties.

The sad story that nobody is reporting is the damage that has been done to the church Ted pastored. Staff have lost their jobs and attendance has wained. I can't imagine how people have been spiritually damaged by this.

 

amen!!!!!!

 

I believe that Ted Haggart is an immoral person. I think (my sole opinion) that like many maga church pastors this guy is about the money and as one canadian I know said. They get paid for knowing how to work a crowd. He gets lots of money. Note Ted actually used drugs and participated in homosexual atctivity. I think it is because of men like this Ted that Men like Sam Kenison dispair when you pull back the vinear of Hypocracy in the pulpit and complicated with their own betrayal they leave the ministry hateful of eveangelical Christianity and live as wickedly as they can. Why? Because they been ultimately betrayed to the very thing they cherrished by these men who are sheep in wolves clothing.

 

I wonder why the press if villifying him. Why aren't they painting him as a martyr?

 

Because he claims to be a "Christian". Which if they can thow mud at the because of the activities of its own members they will. Note they aren't judging based on their values but by our own proclaimed ones.

 

Hear, Hear:applause:

 

I thought it was because he still asserts that homosexuality is wrong and admits his guilt.