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Should we celebrate Mother's Day in worship?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by jaigner, May 8, 2010.

  1. jaigner

    jaigner Active Member

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    Well, for what it's worth, I don't like announcements at any point during the service. The best place for announcements, in my opinion, is at the beginning before the service really begins, followed by a welcome time. That way, there is no interruption in focus and at the end, there can be a simple blessing from the pastor and everyone is sent on their way with the focus intact.

    And again, the fact that this whole day is sanctioned by our culture, well, I think it's kinda sappy and I'm not sure the strong connotations of sentimentality can be overcome.

    Again, I'm not completely averse to observing it in some way. I called and sent my mom and m-i-l flowers, as well as calling my grandmothers and my sisters and one s-i-l who are mothers as well.

    My real issue is when it takes on a life of its own, and nearly every church I've attended that has celebrated it has allowed that to happen.
     
  2. Thinkingstuff

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    It sounds like rationalization for idolatry. Flowers surrounding the pulpit is for whom? Mothers. The scriptures usually selected has to do with honoring Mothers. Mothers are asked to stand while the congregation claps. Where is Christ in all of this? Nowhere. Idolatry.
     
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    I see what you mean Jaigner...I think if it takes over everything then it is better abandoned. But don't you think the same can be said, if not more so, about easter and christmas which are not biblically sanctioned celebrations. They are extremely sentimetal and highly commercialised. I mean if you're going to take that kind of line shouldn't you follow it to its logical conclusion?
     
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    Yep we're breaking the 1st and 2nd Commandments.
     
  5. jaigner

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    Yes, you absolutely can. They can be easily maligned in our celebrations. But they are sacred holidays and have been a part of the Church calendar for centuries. And when we celebrate Easter and Christmas, Christ is the focus.
     
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    I'd seriously love to see a church who worships mothers or makes them idols. I dare you to find such.


    OK - NOW you're drinking some Kool-aid.
     
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    I was just going to quote him and ask the same question.

    How about another question - What is worship? Is it the entire service time? What if one needs to leave to go to the bathroom - are they worshipping the porcelain god? How far do we take this?
     
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    You put flowers around the pulpit for mothers? What do you do the rest of the time? We have plants around the pulpit every week because it looks nice.



    So greeting each other is idolatry? Where is Christ in that? How about if a missionary comes home and you recognize them in the service. Is that idolatry? Or when a soldier is back from deployment? I don't know - I think we know what idolatry is. No one is seeing them as God.
     
  10. Thinkingstuff

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    Most churches I've seen does this. Mothers day (not Christ day). A church committee buys flowers sets them up near the podium. Who are they for? Mothers. Are they for Jesus? No. They are for mothers. Then the pastor request all mothers in the congregation to stand while the entire congregation claps (which is a form of high praise). Then the Pastor usually gives a sermon about biblical mother relationships to focus the congregation on this time honored pagan tradition centered on the Mother goddess of the earth by making people show their appreciation to their mothers. At this point some pointers are given on how to please your mother and a joke is made about mothers who aren't pleased. Just like appeasing Gaia but you are focused on your own mother who is treated like the avatar or Gaia. Though the term Gaia isn't used in the sermon and some mention of Jesus doing his first miracle for his mother is mentioned. So we can see pagan influence on this tradition going back to the worship of the Earth Mother through her medaries the Mothers of the world. Finally, the flowers are given to the mothers which is another form of praise. You just don't recognize it as mother worship because of all the christian stuff you incorporate with it.

    As for women being seperate in the early church you have to understand jewish synagogues in the first century. Christianity began with the Jews in synagogues. Men would be seated around the seat of moses where the teacher would teach from and read scripture from. A divider was placed seperating the women from the men but the divider was open enough for the women to hear what was said. They had to remain quiet during the Torah instruction. Christian churches started this way. But when perecuted and forced into house churches some procedural things changed.
     
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    No - the time is also for the edifying of the believers. Read Acts 2:47 or 1 Corinthians 14:26 or Hebrews 10:24-25.
     
  12. annsni

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    What flavor was the Kool-aid?
     
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    So you say. But you put these people at the front of the congregation a place of honor. You praise and worship them signified by clapping your hands and reciting the pledge of allegiance to the flag and some churches add the pledge to the Christian flag kind of like repetitious prayers. However, you place them in front and above the other people in the congregation while your clap hands tell of their deeds and thus are worshiping them. Sure you don't call them God but ineffect are treating them like God by honoring them in his place. Catholics say they don't worship Mary either but they pray to her. So we see just because you don't pray to these people you still give them worship. And worship only belongs to God.
     
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    Give all the men of the church a tie, or some Old Spice.

    :D
     
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    The flavor that doesn't permit me to break the 1st and 2nd commandments.
     
  16. annsni

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    Well, if it is a sin to you, it is a sin. But honoring your mother is a command (might want to see - it's in the same list as #1 and 2) and that's what we do.
     
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    So clapping is worship? When my child used to put two blocks on top of each other and clap hands, were they building an altar?

    I think you read WAY too much into things.
     
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    Could be. You never really know. I mean anthropologist say the first building constructions were alters. Maybe its there in the subconscience.
     
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    You can honor your mother without worshiping her. Take care of her needs. Listen to her wisdom...etc... But to take the Lords day away from the Lord and to give worship to your mother is a bad idea.
     
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    Has to be grape.
     
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