Should we really pledge our allegiance...

A couple of things come to mind:

Did Paul renounce his Roman citizenship because Cesear was burning Christians and throwing them to the lions? Or because Rome was a hotbed of sexual perversion(and you can bet abortions occured in many cases. Nuttin new under the sun)?

What other country could you pledge your allegiance too? Is there one that has no policies/laws that you disagree with?

 

I sometimes include some what of a "Patriotic" sermon along the dates of July 4----here's the "jist" of my heart sharing

One of these days---we're going to be just about as far away from the frailities of democracy---the United States will not even be a small speck of a "blip" on the radar screen of eternity

And remind the people that the Kingdom of God is not run by democracy but by Theocracy---not by the rule of the people but by the rule of God

I get some of the longest blank stares---and get the impression by those stares that their "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave" is just gonna roll on up and continue on into the eons of eternity future

Who wants a democracy when democracy is shared by abortionists and murderers and swindlers and money grabbers and people who don't give a rip about who you are but steadily remind you of who they are????

Who wants a democracy where you can't trust its own elected officials and President---regardless of what color they are

Keep seeking those things which are above---where Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father and FROM where we anxiously await His return---and I promise you---when He calls me up I won't have any problem saying bye bye to the false freedom of democracy and saying hello to the true freedom of Theocracy!!!

When I preach along these lines on July 4---I get the biggest longest blank stares!!!!!!!!!!!!! But its true---Theocracy stomps all over the pride of someone under the rule of democracy!!!:type:

 

Oh Ron Regan, where art thou now when we need you?

 

Ronald Reagan is at this time being ruled by the freedom of Theocracy!!! He is one who is "free indeed"

 

Does pledging allegiance to one's country mean every jot or tittle, or does it just mean the principles of the country?

Cheers,

Jim

 

I think you're creating a false dichotomy. Let me ask you this: given your statement can you list one country that someone could pledge their allegiance to in our modern era?

I think you're taking too strong of a stance on this one. There are many, many Christ honoring people who seek to change things in this country. They also view themselves as faithful patriots and part of that loyalty is to use the systems in place to change things.

Of course the larger issue is one which Christians have wrestled with since the early church. I serve God and not man. So who do I truly pledge allegiance to?

 

This is the best thought I've read in this thread. Kudos to you! :applause::thumbsup: I'll be using this one in the future. :smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin:

 

There are also many Christians who do not totally object to abortion, and do not consider a fetus a person as such.

Study the theology of the unborn, and their status in Christ. If they were created by God, then God is the author of sin. If they are a person, then they are born in Adam's condemnation,,born in sin.......

Think again before pointing the finger so harshly.

Cheers,

Jim

 

My bad, I misunderstood what you were asking. How about(tongue in cheek, mind you):

Because the Pledge of Allegiance and patriotism go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. Its a meaningless gesture meant only to broadcast the depths of our patroitism to others and in turn to judge the patriotism of others by. I mean, you gotta have something to go by. How else would you know if the person next to you was a "real American"?

It's like having "in God we Trust" on our money. Those who disagree with it must be atheists or backslidden Christians who are too afraid to stand up for their beliefs. It can't possibly be that money should reflect reality.

Personally (seriously), pledges(and mottos) are a non issue to me. Say it, don't say it, its your actions that count. Are you trying to better this country? Do your actions prove your motives? The answer to those counts much more than saying a pledge.

 

What?????

A fetus is not a person? Tell that to David.

Psalms 139:14-16 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

 

Just to help, here's the TNIV:

14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

 

Indeed.
Who can read that and say that a fetus is not a person? Surely God thought David was a person. Very sad.