Side comments on the "William & Myself" thread...

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  1. robycop3

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    I shall honor DD's request for a private thread, but I shall start another one here that won't interfere with theirs, but can be a place for others to express themselves in.

    First...DD politely asked Mr. Correa for some SCRIPTURE to support his views...and in typical KJVO fashion, he failed to answer. Therefore I hold his views as INCORRECT until he can support them with SCRIPTURE.

    For his stated views to have the slightest verscity, me will hafta supply Scripture applicable to the KJV and none other...same as if I were to declare the NIV as the only valid English version, I'd hafta supply Scripture applicable to the NIV and none other.

    The "preservation" verses won't do, as they're found within every valid English version known and aren't the least bit version-specific.
     
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    I see Mr. Correa CANNOT deal with his prob of lack of SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for his view. DD has asked him to provide some Scripture & all I've seen is tire-spinning.

    Let's answer his questions, although I'm sure DD will do a better job than I.

    My qustions to you are: #1 Are you 100% sure if you died right now, Are you are saved and on your way to heaven?

    Yes. Are YOU?

    #2 which edition KJB do You use?

    I use no KJBs The KJV editions I use are the AV 1611 & Blayney's 1769 Edition.


    Which MV Version do you accept as "GOS'D WORD" 100% sure in your heat of hearts:
    not contains, partly has or maybe is? The Infallible, Inerrant "WORD OF GOD"


    NKJV, NASV, NIV, HCSB


    #3 What does your pastor preach out of?

    NKJV


    #4 Why do we need so many versions when thre is only ONE GOD?

    (a) Because there are many languages, & styles within many languages.

    (b) Because many Hebrew & Greek words/phrases have multiple meanings, and w/o the help of the context there are several correct renderings for many of them.


    #5 Why does the RCC think they are the Final Authority and not The AV 1611?

    Because, like many other flawed "Christian" denoms, they think they run the toll booth on the highway to heaven, forgetting that JESUS is the Highway Patrol. And the AV 1611 is NOT the final authority. It doesn't say that anywhere within itself that I know of. But perhaps I've missed something. Please SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE, or the KJVO doctrine remains a myth & false.
     
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    I disagree with DD's questions to Williams because his questions are wrong to ask him. Let William will answer them.
     
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    Originally posted by Askjo:
    I disagree with DD's questions to Williams because his questions are wrong to ask him.

    Why? TheY look legitimate enough to me. It's just another dismantling of the KJVO myth.

    Let William will answer them.

    I'm sure he will, God willing. That's why I started THIS thread, so that others could comment in their discussion w/o cluttering their thread. We can clutter THIS one in response to the material they post to each other.

    TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND THE AMERICAN WAY
     
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    There are a few groups of KJVO. They disagree each other concerning many words such as inspiration, infallible, perfection, etc,. Confusion!
     
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    But a common thread is that they cannot back up their claims with SCRIPTURE.
     
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    William Correa:In the beginning of scripture, God inspired very special men with certain qualifications... qualifications that no one has met since John drew his last breath.
    quote: Well Scott J What prey tell are those Qulification. I hope one them must have been that they must Be saved!


    God inspired whom HE CHOSE to inspire. He inspired a pagan king, Nebuchadnezzar, to worship Him & write some Scripture. Neb certainly wasn't a "saint" until GOD got holda him.
     
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    LandEagle: //Brother Ed, I disagree.//

    Thank you. I find way to many milk toast posters here
    who don't even have 'disagree' in their vocabulary.
    That makes anyone, like you, who will take a stand,
    stand out.

    LadyEagle: //Terrorists don't need any abiding
    and abbeting terrorism.//

    Amen. Then let us NOT give them any.

    LadyEagle: //They have enough of their own jihad
    web sites which operate on US servers from US hosting companie
    that have never been shut down. They also have infiltrated
    all of our cities and college campuses and Capitol Hill
    with political action committees and live among us in our communities
    and neighborhoods. They also have plenty of their
    own Internet forums and they post their jihad ideas
    from all over the US.//


    Your description, while true, has NOTHING TO DO with the OKC Bomber.
    They were domestic Chrisian terrorists.
    No, 'John Doe' was NOT Middle Eastern, he was probably a
    misidentified Native American.

    LadyEagle: //There is a massive
    conspiracy theory, though, that has been going on since
    the Garden of Eden throughout history. //

    Yes, I read my first conspiracy theory book in 1964. What were
    you doing in 1964? Also, there are several. Are you familair
    with the one that says we humans are a food source for aliens?


    Aaron: //Ed, if you don't mind my saying so, your emotional attachment
    to the event makes you the least qualified to say what
    is conspiracy or not. I want a dispassionate view of the situation.//

    I agree fully, Brother Aaron.
    I want a dispassionate view of the situation.
    That is why I stay away from the conspiracy sites that
    feed on each other for support and 'logic'.
    I've even been kicked off a few boards because the
    conspiracy sites are EVIL. The Holy Spirit testifies to me
    of the EVIL, SINFUL nature of many of these conspiracy sites.
    They are always black or white, never admiting that there might
    (even if by accident) be something we in the government of the US
    did right.

    BTW, I hardly think that I'm 'not allowed' to have opinions
    just because I was THERE.


    JamesBell: //Finally, the John Doe #2 story is hard to understand.
    I do not believe that either side is fully correct.
    Something is wrong with the story, but putting McVeigh
    and an arab terrorist together is a stretch.//

    Strange how a human error makes a Native American an Arab.
    The sketch of John Doe #2 was made from a description by
    the man who rented McVeigh the Ryder Truck. The FBI found
    the man, and found he was in the rental office the same day
    but nobody could prove (and the FBI probably tryed to)
    any connection with McVeigh or any other of the OKC Bombing
    'team'. The man was a Native American (AKA: American Indian)
    well at least halfway. John Doe #2 was not an Arab Terrorist.
    The man was not an agent of any USGovernment agency: known
    or clandistine. Anyway, that is easier to belive that a
    man working in a vehicle rental office would oops instead
    of some terrorist group of supermen could dupe multiple agencies
    of the USGovernment.


    I had a friend who worked in the Murrah building. He was off
    the week of April 19, 1995. He survived. Many of his friends
    did not. He had to go to work outside OKC. His life was ruined
    with surviver's guilt. Finally he quit the USGovernment service.
    He was unable to operate as a father; unable to be a father to
    his pre-school child; unable to watchdog the other parts of
    the USGovernment. The cost of domestic terrorism is VERY HIGH.

    I had an acquaintance who worked for the Governement. He
    interviewd me for a security clearance before the OKC Bombing.
    He died in the explosion. This was just after the homosexual
    standard: 'don't ask, don't tell'. So he said something like
    "I can't ask you the following question anymore ..."
    but I interuppted: "Don't worry, I'm straight".
    He died in the OKC Bombing. The cost of domestic terrorism is VERY HIGH.

    By contrast, Conspiracy theories levied against the USGovernment
    are CHEAP.

    Phillip: //Speaking of displays, I really like Tinker's in OKC.
    It is quite amazing. LOTS of history there.//

    Yes. I like the Gen Tinker hall. Major General (2 star) Tinker
    was an Oklahoman. He died in 1942 after the taking of Midway.
    After midway was taken Gen Tinker was the commander of the
    Army Air Forces on Midway. He went over to look at Wake which
    was still held by Japan. He never came back (what ever became
    of the General staying home and waiting for reports?).
    Gen Tinker was the highest ranking Native American at the
    time of his death, in fact, he was the only Native American
    with O-6 (Army Col., Navy Captian) or higher. So when they
    build the Air Air Corps Depot in Oklahoma City, in 1943,
    it was named in honor of Two Star Chief* Clarence Tinker.

    * Code talkers from a dozen or more Indian tribes helped the
    Army in WW2. The called a Col. 'Eagle chief' a general 'star chief',
    etc.

    JamesBell: //I just wish that, if we have to talk about conspriacy
    stuff in Oklahoma, we woulod focus on the bombing outsid
    the OU game last season. That is one time that I am pretty
    sure the whole story is being hidden somewhere.
    I guess it could just be that I was at the game and didn't
    like the way things were handled though.//

    I like how it turned out. The krazy kid wanted to blow you up.
    The krazy kid couldn't get close enough (due to Homeland
    Defense security).
    The krazy kid blew himself up instead of you.
    (BTW, I was under 2 miles away).

    However, had the kid succedded, millions would blame
    Bush for ordering it done, after about four years.
    Four years is the gestation period of event driven
    Conspiracy Theories.

    BTW, the Flight 93 tape at the Moussaoui was hear Wednesday.
    THe OKLAHOMAN says "... 13 of the terrified passenges and
    crew members made 35 air phone calls and two cell phone
    calls ... "
    (however, I know later that had they been flying near
    Montreal, Canada, they wouldn't have been able to make
    the two cell phone calls.)
     
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    william s. correa : //In Isaiah 14:12, the father of the new versions removes his mask. The King James reads, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning!..." The NIV, NASV, NRSV etc. reads, "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR, son of the dawn..." The new versions change "Lucifer" to "morning star." According to Revelation 22:16, the "morning star" is the Lord Jesus Christ. What blasphemy! And there's no basis whatsoever for the change, as the Hebrew word for star [kokab] is not even found in Isaiah 14:12. Is there any doubt who is the father of these new versions?//

    The only 'blasphemy' is those who worship the KJB
    but fail to read it.

    Here we go:

    Isa 14:12 (KJV1611 Edition):
    How art thou fallen from heauen, ||O Lucifer, sonne
    of the morning? how art thou cut downe to the ground,
    which didst weaken the nations?

    Sidenote: || or, O day starre

    For those of the Cult of Ignorance
    and others not in the know, the planet Venus
    used to be known as the Morning Star when it preceeded
    the sun, the Evening Star when it follows the Sun
    and the Day Star because you can see it in broad daylight.

    //And there's no basis whatsoever for the change, as the Hebrew word for star [kokab] is not even found in Isaiah 14:12.//

    Yes, 'kakab' doesn't show up, but that is meaningless,
    one of the names of the second planet from the sun
    is DAY STAR or DAY STARRE as the KJB says.
    Why don't people read the inspired, inerrant KJB
    more often?

    BTW, this has been documented every month nearly in
    this BB FOrum: Versions/Translations.
    Why does it have to be repeated, repeated, and repeated
    for every victim of the Cult of Ignorance?
     
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    Ed, I think we have a post here that belongs in the Politics area. Would you like me to move it or just delete it? Unless you are answering Robycops questions regarding the KJVO issue with conspiracy theories? [​IMG]

    Easy mistake to make, just the wrong thread. [​IMG]
     
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    God wrote only One Book.
     
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    Then my beloved Japanese believers and I are in trouble. How can we have a Japanese Bible if there is only one and it is in English??
     
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    Then my beloved Japanese believers and I are in trouble. How can we have a Japanese Bible if there is only one and it is in English?? </font>[/QUOTE]Do you forget one verse: Romans 16:26? God provided His Words to all nations. In the USA Americans have most accurate translation for their mother tongue: the KJV! So is England. God provided His one Book to Japan: most accurate translation. He provided His one Book to each nation.
     
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    Right. And it has been a human effort in accordance with the providence of God to preserve the words of that Book and to translate it into various "vulgar" tongues.
     
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    God is not the author of Confusion!
     
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    God is not the author of Confusion! </font>[/QUOTE]This verse does not apply to KJVOism. [​IMG]
     
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    Then my beloved Japanese believers and I are in trouble. How can we have a Japanese Bible if there is only one and it is in English?? </font>[/QUOTE]Do you forget one verse: Romans 16:26? God provided His Words to all nations. In the USA Americans have most accurate translation for their mother tongue: the KJV! So is England. God provided His one Book to Japan: most accurate translation. He provided His one Book to each nation. </font>[/QUOTE]SCRIPTURE, please?
     
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    Mr. Correa:How can I Expose and rebuke and exhort and correct if I cant Identify certain Frauds and blatent attacks on all that has been said so far in order to keep it fair? just bleep them out? Thanx and God bless

    A little PROOF would help. I can call the
    "Good As New" a joke and a corruption by the fact that it clearly doesn't follow any known Scriptural sources too closely. And for you to truthfully rag upon other versions besides the KJV and upon other manuscripts besides those used to make the KJV, you need PROOF. Try saying, "The King George Codex is a fraud because...(proof)."

    And I don't see one bleep of SCRIPTURE supporting your assertions. You're just wasting your time if you cannot back up your "data" with SCRIPTURE.
     
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    SCRIPTURE, please? </font>[/QUOTE]Can't you read here?
     
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