Signs of an Apostle

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  1. Iconoclast

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    http://www.ukapologetics.net/07/apostolicsigns.htm

    So the apostles were specifically required to be witnesses to the ministry of Jesus and were empowered for this purpose. They had experienced the ministry of Jesus and they could provide direct testimony of the incredible things which they witnessed - none of us can do that today. Other Scriptures to carefully consult here are Matthew 10:1,8 Mark 16:20 and Luke 9:1-2. Also, in Acts 1:21, when the apostle's noted that Judas needed to be replaced, that verse is clear about the qualifications of an apostle.

    But this was a ministry for a particular time, indeed, even the New Testament writers usually referred to the miraculous 'signs of an apostle' in the past tense (note Hebrews 2:3-4, for instance) - this tends to show us that they themselves knew that it was a spectacular ministry for a special time, and as the apostles began to pass from the scene, that particular ministry would cease. Moreover, the 'church fathers' who wrote in the first few centuries of the church, also seem to have understood and accepted this.

    'The things that mark an apostle - signs, wonders and miracles - were done among you with great perseverance.' (2 Corinthians 12:12, NIV throughout).


    'Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles.' (Acts 2:43).


    'The apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders among the people.' (Acts 5:12).


    '...People brought their sick into the streets and laid them on beds and mats so that at least Peter's shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by. Crowds gathered also from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing their sick and those tormented by evil spirits, and all of them were healed.' (Acts 5:15-16).


    'So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders.' (Acts 14:3).


    'The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them.' (Acts 15:12).


    'God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.' (Acts 19:11-12).


    Neither can we leave out Hebrews 2, which confirms that the first century was a very special time in which the apostles - witnesses of the ministry of Jesus - were granted the ability to perform special signs:


    'How shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. God testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.' (Hebrews 2:3-4).
     
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    If a person today has the signs of an apostle, what is he?
     
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    A false prophet.
     
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    So someone healing, and doing the works of Jesus is false. Interesting.
     
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    Here's the TRUE sign of Apostles being here nowadays:


    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] The Apostles are no longer with us now. No one is a true Apostle now. Sure, some use the title, but it's worth less than a cup of coffee.....$0.00
     
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    He is simply a "person with [some of] the signs of an apostle."

    It does seem that in the NT, after Paul, the term apostle, which simply means "sent one", refers to a specific group of men who had special authority to speak for Christ. Not every pastor was called an apostle (see Tim, titus). It seems to be a reference to a temporary role.

    I don't think it would be technically an error to call someone today a "sent one", since we all are that. It could also be appropriate to speak of someone with "apostolic gifts" (preaching, insight into scripture, wisdom in practical ministry matters)...HOWEVER, the problem comes when one is called an apostle by others or themselves, it often is taken to mean they have the AUTHORITY of an apostle, such that their words are automatically God-sent and cannot be questioned. This is, I believe, where the primary error lies, and I believe that this issue of AUTHORITY DUE TO SUPPOSED "APPOSTLESHIP" is a demonstrable error that has lead to much spiritual damage.

    If you speak of a man with apostolic gifts, and yet you realize that the things he teaches still must be tested against scripture; I would not have a problem with that. But generally when people use the term apostle to refer to someone today, they are saying "this person is speaking for God and if you disagree with him, you are against God."

    Because of this, I think it is more helpful to simply not use the word Apostle to refer to someone today, since many people would get the wrong idea.
     
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    Yes, it is interesting. It's what Jesus said Himself. "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' Matthew 7:22.

    You imply this (signs, miracles &c) proves one an apostle, or, belonging to Christ. Jesus says you're mistaken.

    Interesting.
     
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    LOL, best post of the thread. I think a couple of people have been watching too much SyFy Channel and 700 Club. We are charged today as Christians, to tell others about Jesus, and worship the Lord. There is no doubt in my mind, in my Christian walk, if the Lord deemed it necessary for me to heal someone, talk in tongues, or stand on my head and sing the Stars Spangled Banner, He would let me know through His Spirit. Short of that, I have better things to do than to wonder why I have never done what Peter and John did.

    The point is, one can interpret Scriputure to suit any purpose. The fact is God is still in control, (duh), and if things like healing, tongues, and other such tasks perfomed by the Apostles were in force today, they would be more be more apparant in a real fashion than the circus acts on TV.
     
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    A TV circus clown posing as a minister of the Lord performing magic tricks and stealing money off vunerable, honest people watching TV, most of who are aging and cannot get to church to worship the Lord.
     
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    Jesus words merely prove that NOT EVERYONE who performs miracles is truly his disciple...They do not prove that if someone performs miracles, they are necessarily a false teacher...if so throw Paul & Peter out!
     
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    Good one Willis.....one of the best!
     
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    If you are speaking of God healing someone in answer to prayer...DHK has answered you correctly on this in the other thread.

    If anyone claims they are an apostle today...we call them false apostles.

    The real apostles were ordained by Jesus Mk 3:14.....they had a unique set of promises from Jesus Himself;


    No one else had this promise uniquely given to them.

    4But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.


    6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    Any who believe there are apostles and prophets today...are false.
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::applause:
     
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    The works that the Apostles did was unlike anything we could do. Paul was able to lay his hands on some, and they received the Holy Ghost. Is there anyone today with this ability?
     
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    He would be NOT an Apostle of jesus, as he would NOT fit the qualification of seeing the Lord, either while he was on Earth, or after the resurrection as paul did!

    THAT Office officially closed off by God when John died!
     
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    can that person then continue to record and write down revealtions from God for the church?
     
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    2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

    3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:



    He did not leave anything out. He promised to guide the apostles into All truth.
    Not most of it... but, all of it. The Spirit now quickens or illuminates that once for all time given word.
     
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    Which scriptures explain that after the last apostle dies, the authority over the church would be the church itself, in other words when did the church change from a theocracy to a democracy?
     
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    If there is a problem in the democratic/congregational form of church government it is that there's actually no or very little theo in the demo!
     
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    First let's understand Christ is the Head of the Church not man nor any man ever has been. As for the Apostles Icon left one very important verse out in the qualifications of an Apostle.
    1 Corinthians 9:1 Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?

    Notice Paul said the proof of his Apostleship was that he had seen Jesus Christ our Lord, He had see the risen Lord on the road to Damascus. Not one person today can make that claim and therefore no one qualifies as an Apostle, because no one in our time has seen the Risen Lord. For He is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us and waiting on the Father to make His enemies His footstool.
     

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