Simple poll for KJVOs

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For KJVOs. Do those who use modern versions reject the KJV?

  1. Yes

    28.0%
  2. No

    72.0%
  3. Not a KJVO

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    In your mind, do those who use a modern version reject the KJV as the word of God.

    Viewing option for non-KJVOs included.
     
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    Can't say as I've ever been less concerned with the outcome of a poll.
     
  3. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    It goes with the "Simple Poll for MV users" to see how both sides feel.

    So far every MV user says that they don't reject the KJV as the word of God and every KJVO says that any one who uses the MV does reject the KJV as the word of God.
     
  4. Lacy Evans

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    I can't really answer it C4K. You would have to define the term "reject". I honestly don't have a problem with any MVers choice to use their MV. I know, love, and cherish many non-KJVOs. I actually have more MV friends than KJVO friends. I feel the same way about an NIV, an NASV, a LB, and a NWT. To me it is all a matter of degrees. But if there is a question, refer to the KJV in the hand rather than the autographs in the bush.


    I feel the same way about Bible translation. In the Philippines, we gave out little Ilonggo new testaments. They were (obviously) not KJV, but a KJV would have been worthless to a non-English speaker. They had been translated from a KJV so they were close. I would judge the translation by the KJV which I can see and know it's fruit. Some want to compare it to another piece of paper with Greek or Hebrew writing on it. The trouble is, we don't know what is corrupt and what is right. The original languages are not magic. They don't have some mystical power that keeps them pure. Only God can do that and he speaks every language.


    So when you read an NIV, et.al. it's kind of like (to me) a Filipino reading that Illongo Bible or a child reading a Living Bible. For God's sake don't reject it.
    Lacy
     
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    Your poll -- Neither! I already explained in other post.
     
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    Again my brother, your words could also apply to the KJV

    "The KJV is not magic. It doesn't have some mystical power that keeps it pure. Only God can do that and he speaks every language, including 21st English"
     
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    I agree with that too. So how would we decide between two (or 5000) books of paper (Whatever the language) what is the word of God? We can only tell where the wind is and has been by the moving of the trees.

    My point simply was that it is not logical to assume any writing is closer in meaning to the autograph just because it is in a certain language. Because we don't know, we must give equal credibility to the possibility that the extant English KJV could very well be more true to the autographs than the extant Greek (esp. aleph and B)

    The fact that the "older" manuscripts might be right doesn't refute the possibility that they might be wrong. It is a wash

    The whole system of modern textual criticism is fine for coming up with a translation, but not good for evaluating the credibility of a prophet. That can only be determined by the fruit of the prophet. Because the Bible is supernatural, its evaluation cannot stand on purely natural criteria. The Bible MUST change things. And the more perfect the Bible, the more profound the change. If there is an absolutely perfect hold-it-in-your-hand-and-study-it Bible, it will be found by following a mighty trail of overwhelming evidence. All this is very easily proven from Biblical precepts.

    Lacy
     
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    Lacy
    "In the Philippines, we gave out little Ilonggo new testaments. They were (obviously) not KJV, but a KJV would have been worthless to a non-English speaker. They had been translated from a KJV so they were close."
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    Umm... that depends completely on how good the translation is. There have been at least 2 translations from the KJV into Spanish that apparently were so bad they caused embarrassment.

    Lacy, do you know if there are any concrete (or not so concrete) plans to translate the KJV into Dutch?
    Not that I perceive much of an audiance for it at the moment. All Dutch Christians currently seem to belong in one of 2 camps.
    They either don't perceive any problems of note with any Bible on the open market in the Netherlands, or they are States Bible only-ists*, a movement that has been widespread in certain circles since the late 1940's.

    *replace the AV1611 with the AV1637, King James with the Republic of the United Netherlands, and baptists with Calvinists and it is just like the KJVO movement.
     
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    So far:

    Yes - 5
    No - 1
    Not a KJVO - 16

    I voted "Not a KJVO". My Church uses the KJV. I read the KJV almost daily, along with MV's. I teach from the KJV.

    How can KJVO's know my heart and mind well enough to claim that I reject the KJV?

    Sorry, KJVO's, this makes NO sense (mentally, spiritually or otherwise) to me! :confused:

    If Non-KJVO's are voting "Yes", to make the KJVO's look bad, shame on them! [​IMG]
     
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    I use the kjBible ONLY and reject all others, so to me, it would seem that those who use anything other than the Holy Bible(& that is what I've called it for 50 yrs & all my kin before me) would do the same. May not make sense to anyone else, but it does to me that you are saying you don't believe the kjBible to be all-sufficient.
     
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    100% of folks you use an MV in some measure say they do not reject the KJV as God's Word.

    5 out of 6 who only use the KJV say that the others reject the KJV.

    Who is judging whose hearts?
     
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    Granny

    The Lord Jesus Christ is the only "all-sufficient" One. All other things in this fallen creation are less than "all-sufficient", especially those touched by His human creatures.
     
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    That's right~and since I can't talk to Him face to face, I have his words He left for me, which are EXACTLY what He would have me to know all about Him & how to live my life. Now how hard is that to understand?
     
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    Not at all Granny and I agree with you totally.
     
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    Me too! [​IMG]
     

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