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Your responses advertise quite loudly that both of you are quite ignorant of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Sin is a violation of Divine Law and God is a Just and Holy God whereas your concept of a God of "love" is simply sloppy agape.

Even the simple principle of "reaping what you sow" demonstrates the error of your thinking. Neither of you have any concept of what is real "justice" but are like the modern American family that believes corporeal punishment of children is evil, harmful and unjust and not the act of real loving parents.

Neither of you have any clue about legal representation. There is nothing "fictious" or "unjust" in the appointment of a legal representative to act in our behalf.

 

Do you believe Jesus Christ was "killed" by Satan or do you believe that Christ came for the very purpose to give his life willingly as a sacrificial offering to atone for sin?

In that sacrifical offering for sin do you believe the Father forsook Christ on the cross or do you believe the Father was not pleased with the death of His Son?

Mt 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things,

Heb. 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Isa. 53:10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Now, don't come back at me asking do "I" think God was "pleased" to bruise his Son as "I" never said that - Isaiah said that by inspiration! So your beef is with Isaiah and the Holy Spirit who chose his words.

Isaiah says that it is God that put Christ to grief and it is God that bruised him and it is God that sent Christ for that very purpose in order to bear their inquities on the cross and to make satisfaction for their sins.

1 Pet. 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

The term "propitiation" is used of Christ as a "sacrifice" and is vividly illustrated several times in the Old Testament when God's wrath came upon the Israelites, it was the sacrifice that typified the sacrifice of Christ that APPEASED/SATISFIED His wrath against sin and in each instance He stopped killing Israelites.

 

No, you have not proved your points anywhere on this forum. Each time you tried they have been completely debunked and rightly so.

 

Conclusively to who? Every single solitary point you have every made on this subject has been thoroughly repudiated and exposed by Scriptures. What is laughable is that you would even raise the subject again!

 

It is a thoroughly unbiblical irrational and unwarranted scheme to undermine the gospel of Jesus Christ and repudiate the cross of Christ.

 

It repudiates it completely as that theory does not regard the cross or the death of Christ as absolutely necessary for the salvation of sinners.

 

Here is admission of your abominational Christus Defeator. Your atonement is no atonement at all as your view is the death of Christ served no purpose for our salvation at all. Instead, it only served to demonstrate one of many other characteristics of his humanity. There is NO SALVATION at all from sin in this abominable view. This is another Jesus and a completely another gospel.

 

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Ro 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Ga 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Re 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isa 53:10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

 

Your salvation only depends upon whether this is the view you held when you professed salvation. If it is, and that is the basis of your salvation then there is no doubt you are merely a religious lost person.

However, I have better hopes for you. I think you were simply led astray after you were saved and need to return to the truth of your actual salvation.

 

Any view that regulates the death of Christ (=shedding of blood) to be merely proof of humanity and but denies it is absolutely necessary without which there could be no other way for our salvation is a reproach to God.