Sin of pride

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  1. freeatlast

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    The sin of pride is the sin of sins. It was this sin, we're told, which transformed Lucifer, an anointed cherub of God, the very "seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty," into Satan, the devil, the father of lies, the one for whom Hell itself was created. We're warned to guard our hearts against pride lest we too "fall into the same condemnation as the devil."

    The sin of pride is rightfully distinguished as the foremost among the seven "deadly sins," each of the seven equally as deadly (Proverbs 6:16-19)

    So the question. Is all pride sin? How far does the depth of pride reach and are we guilty of calling "pride" joy, happiness, or some other word only to the blinding our own hearts?
    Again is all pride sin?
     
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    Your point is well taken. I grew up in the South (Tennessee), where the use of the word "proud" was often interchanged with "pleased."

    Some Southerners will remember the character of Minnie Pearl on the Grand Ole Opry broadcast out of Nashville. Minnie was a country comedienne. Her opening line, wherever she appeared was "Howww-deee! I'm just so proud to be here." She was saying she was glad to be here.

    Many folks, talking about their children, might say "We're just so proud of our kids." This is analogous to the voice of the Father from heaven saying about Jesus "this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

    Is there a school in this country that doesn't try to build "school pride?" But this is not true pride in the sense that the OP is talking about.

    I'm an old geezer, but it hasn't been too long when young people, referring to someone as bad, really meant they were good.

    So, let's remember that in some parts of the country, "proud" means pleased, happy, glad, etc. It's colloquial and idiomatic.
     
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    So Tom is all pride sin?
     
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    “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” - Paul
     
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    Being proud of yourself and feeling good about your accomplishments is ok, as long as you realize that all talents and abilities come from our Lord, Jesus Christ. We have it twisted. Someone can have no self esteem and peole say they are humble. Humility is not feeling bad about yourself. Humility is realizing it's only possible because of the Lord. Humility is always keeping Him above us. That is my opinion anyway.
     
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    Yes I agree and I think with that narrow understanding it opens the door and sheds great light on the depth of pride that we all hold and excuse with words other then pride with great dishonor to our Lord. Once that light shines and the revelation is understood the time to correct the offense lies at hand.
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    Humility is not feeling pride. Humility is the mind set of not being worthy and not recognizing any self gain even that which comes because of Christ. John the Baptist is a great example. I am afraid that we have fell to this physco babble today and seek to hold and even promote the self idea. Humility is only seeing Christ and nothing about me, even what He has done in me must remain sightless to self. Humility is knowing we are the chief of sinners, we are dung, and nothing that we have or do is worthy of the Lord Jesus Christ. Humility is the opposite of pride. It is not simply receiving honor and then saying that it is mine because of Christ. Humility is the absence of seeing anything good in me and always pointing to Christ.
    Pride is the sin of sins and any acknowledgement that I am or have anything even if I point to Christ as the One giving what I am or have it is still pride and sin. Giving credit to the giver for giving and robing Him of the result by claiming I hold that gift is pride. Pride is summed up with the smallest of words “I”. Pride is holding selfjoy over what I am or have become even if I claim I received it from another.
     
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    Off topic but when was hell created?
     
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    You are correct. I will PM you with the answer.
     
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    I thought female pastors and mutual submission were the sins of sins.
     
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    Well if you thought that then your pride has overtaken you. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Again, the semantics are important. For instance, if I know somebody who's a slob, unwashed hair and body, scraggly on purpose, then I might ask, "doesn't this fellow have any pride in himself?" In this context, pride could be a virtue.

    In the context of our Christian view that God is the source of all that we are and all that we have, then pride in oneself, high self-esteem, basing our worth on other criteria than God's grace--then yes, that kind of pride could be a sin.
     
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    It's definitely the context. Also I'm not sure on this but I would bet the greek language has different words for pride whereas we only have one.
     
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    Would John the Baptist be a slob? If pride can be a virtue can you give us any scripture saying such? from what I find Pride is always a negative trait in the bible, never a positive one. In the Hebrew there are words that carry both good and bad meanings, but when it is a good meaning it is never translated pride as far as I find. it is much like the word flattery. It is always considered sin in the bible, but like the word pride we seem to have come up with the idea it can be beneficial. Now that is fine as long as it does not skew the meaning of the word when we are holding sinful pride, but I think that when we have a duel meaning we lose the understanding of the lawless side. In other words we sort of shoot ourselves in the foot.
    Today we teach our children to take pride and THEY DO! When a player on the foot ball team makes a touch down they dance and mock about what they have done. I think that is sinful pride. We see this from high school sports to pro sports.
    Or we set around and talk about our children and one explains how their baby started to walk at 12 months and another replies mine started at 11 months, again sinful pride. And there are many other examples. My point is that what we see as normal, God sees as sinful pride. Perhaps we need to look deeper into our lives and examine our actions by the word of God instead of man's beliefs.
     
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    There are three different greek words translated "pride".

    Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

    hyperēphania= pride
    1) pride, haughtiness, arrogance
    2) the character of one who, with a swollen estimate of his own powers or merits, looks down on others and even treats them with insolence and contempt

    1Tim. 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

    typhoō= pride
    1) to raise a smoke, to wrap in a mist
    a) metaph.
    1) to make proud, puff up with pride, render insolent
    2) to be puffed up with haughtiness or pride
    2) to blind with pride or conceit, to render foolish or stupid
    a) beclouded, besotted

    1John 2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    alazoneia= pride
    1) empty, braggart talk
    2) an insolent and empty assurance, which trusts in its own power and resources and shamefully despises and violates divine laws and human rights
    3) an impious and empty presumption which trusts in the stability of earthy things
     
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    Thanks for sharing this knowledge.
     
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    I doubt if the Baptist was a slob.

    I'm like you. I cringe when I see athletes strutting after a big play.

    Regarding what I described as pride in one's appearance, I'm thinking now that self-respect would have been a better word. I looked at quantumfaith's post on the Greek words for pride, and I really didn't find a definition which applies to the slob.

    And I doubt if humility would be the appropriate word for the slob.
     
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    [SIZE=+0]What got me to thinking about this was an old man who I was setting under in a bible study. He stated that all pride was sin. I took offense, not upset, but challenge of the statement. Like many I started pointing out things that I felt was proper pride. I asked him if he was proud of his children. He said no. He was not ashamed either, but held no pride in them. That sort of stumped me. I had to wrestle with this and found that pride goes much deeper then we think and I am coming to the conclusion that many things we see as acceptable are actually sinfull pride. I was hoping to get some more input as to what others with a closer walk realize as being prideful according to the Lord instead of our acceptance or excuse of the sin.[/SIZE]
    I find the discussion as a great learning tool. While I realize I upset many with what I say and perhaps how I say it the forum affords me room for change as I see my faults and sins through what others say and how i respond. True I don't always change. First I have to see the wrong, but in discussions as this it offers the opportunity to see the views of others even if I reject certain views. Doing this draws me closer to the Word as well as hopefully growing through it.
     
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    freeatlast, I mistakenly credited quantumfaith with the post on the Greek words for pride, when I should have credited you. Thanks for the definitions.

    I do not want to appear to support pride of any kind. But I did want to point out that in this country, we use the word pride when we actually mean something else.
     

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