Sin Unto Death

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  1. Lacy Evans

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    On another post, the "sin unto death" keeps coming up. I think the sin unto death is the one that leads to your (physical) death. Makes more sense than anything else I've heard.


    1Co 11:30
    For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

    Numbers 21:6
    6 And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

    1 Kings 13:24
    24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcase was cast in the way, and the ass stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcase.

    Psalms 78:30-31
    30 They were not estranged from their lust. But while their meat was yet in their mouths,
    31 The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel.

    1 Chronicles 13:10 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God.

    Acts 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

    Acts 5:10-11
    10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
    11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
     
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    Amen Bro. Lacy!

    I am not sure where the "sin unto death" has to be the second death. There is plenty of evidence in scripture that it is physical death as you have pointed out.

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    There are only two verses in the Word of God that speak of a 'sin unto death'.

    The contrast in this verse does not point to life and death, but righteousness and death. I do not believe this is speaking of a physical death. Paul contrasted sin unto death with obedience unto righteousness. The sin unto death must be disobedience, for obedience is the contrasting view here. The Greek word for death here is 'Thanatos'. It can be viewed either literally or figuratively. The Word 'sin' here is the Greek word 'hamartia' which means sin or offense.

    Here, 'Thanatos' is used again. Figurative? Literal? Sin, in this verse is not the same as in Romans 6, it is the Greek word 'hamartano'. There are more meanings for this word here. Its meanings are '(as a negative particle) properly, to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), i.e. (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin:--for your faults, offend, sin, trespass'.
     
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    Amen HBSMN:.......... Good answer.

    I see the OP went back to the OT to get scriptures except 4 verses and they are all the same death because they had lied to the Holy Ghost.
     
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    I agree with Lacy.
    It is not simply a lie to the Holy Spirit Bob. It is sinning against the Lord to the point where you bring shame on His name and he sees fit to bring judgment in the way of death to prevent you from bringing further shame to the name of Christ, and to prevent you from losing more loss of reward at the JSOC.

    Ananias and Sapphira died as a result of their hypocrisy.
    Those in 1Cor.11:30 died because they abused the Lord's Table. Read the passage there and you find that some were drunk and others had been gluttonous.

    A sin unto death is any sin that God sees fit to judge because it is bringing shame on His name. I know of some Christians who pray: "Lord if this person does not repent we pray that you would take him out of this world."
    It would be better for some to die rather than to continue in sin.
     
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    I love both testaments. Both show that some sins will get you killed. Sin-unto-death.

    Sin-in the original greek this word means "sin".

    Unto- in the original greek this word means "unto".

    Death - in the original greek, this word means "death".

    Therefore "sin unto death" means "sin unto death".

    Lacy
     
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    Lacy

    This is a great thread . . . and I may have to break out my GNT . . .
     
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    Oh, but you don't think claiming to be saved while committing adultery does not bring shame on His name? :laugh:
     
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    Well, the question came up when DHK said all sin were the same, now He is saying they are not that some sins can bring physical death, so he is admitting to difference in sin.

    I believe it to be any sin that you never repent of. I don't know any Christian that don't believe sin brings death if not forgiven, therefore sin unto death. Whether it is a physical death or the second death does not evade the question, is there a difference in sin.

    I believe it to be the second death myself, but others can believe as they wish. Which ever one it is, it don't mean that believers can molest and kill their own child.

    There is a difference in sin and this thread proves it even more.

    Jhn 19:11Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
     
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    While I fail to see any reason to post a laughing yellow dot after such a sober and grave statement, I agree with the statement. The word says when we sin, we trample the blood of Christ, wherewith we were sanctified, underfoot.

    it also says there is no more sacrifice, in other words we can't say, "You can't chasten me God! My sins are covered by the blood and cast into a sea of forgetfulness." Al we have to look forward to, if we trample grace, is chastening. (Unless there is mercy)

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    I believe you posted one on the other thread before going to bed last night but who is counting? Also, who cares whether you think its proper or not.

    Wonder why, if they were covered and cast in the sea of forgetfulness. Then God does all of a sudden remember them again. Did God lie or change His mind or what?

    Also, adultery unrepented of, will that bring death?
     
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    The contexts of all these verses where the words "second death" are found probably means the death of all those who were raised in order for the last judgement to take place. It indicates that the second death means the last judgement. But it is advisable not to make a doctrine from verses taken other than from the teaching portions of the Holy Scriptures.
     
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    Forgive me, brother, I didn't mean for it to sound like a rebuke. I apologize, I was just curious as to your reasons.


    That was my point. Sins eternally covered and "forgotten" in an absolute and eternal sense, are not "forgotten" in the same manner in a practical sense. In other words, the fact that God chastens, yea even kills us for some sin proves that he doesn't just let them go as far as concerns our walk.

    The sins we commit after we are saved cannot disqualify us of that salvation, nor can they cause us to doubt whether we are "really saved". They can, however, incur upon us the terrible (howbeit temporal) wrath of a holy righteous Father in the form of His mighty rod.

    Unrepented of, yes I'm sure it does. (sometimes fast, sometimes slow.) But Adultery persay, doesn't always. God's grace and mercy is so much bigger than we imagine. Yet his holiness and willingness to chasten "'til every farthing be paid" is also underestimated.

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    From everything I've been able to find on the subject, the sin unto death is a willful, intentional and unrepented sin. Some of you say that all sin is willful. But, that is not what Paul says.

    Romans 7
    19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.

    I do that which I do not want to do. This sin is not willful.


    Hebrews 10:
    26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

    Numbers 15
    30 ‘But the person who does anything presumptuously, whether he is native-born or a stranger, that one brings reproach on the LORD, and he shall be cut off from among his people.

    2 Peter 2
    20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning
     
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    Sea of Forgetfulness? Sorry guys, I cannot find that term in the Word of God, nor on any geographical map I have. Can you point out where it is?


    ... or have you conveniently forgot?

    Notice nowhere is a Sea of Forgetfulness seen. Is it because of man-written lyrics such as those found in 'My Sins Are Gone' that such phrases are believed to be fact?
     
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    another good verse to go along with the ones Amy posted is this one:

     
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    Oops! I forgot that one. Thanks HBSMN. :)
     
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    Good Morning all!

    Yes Bro. Bob, it certainly does bring disgrace and shame to His Name when a believer commits such an act...and He "MIGHT" just kill them because of it.

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    Another thought. Sins such as adultery or child molestation have to be willful sins, do they not? These sins do not just happen. They are thought out over a long period of time. Certain things take place first like lust, fantasies, a look, a touch, a phone call. Or now days, the internet is a place where a lot of this takes place. The Holy Spirit would convict so heavily along the way, that in order to actually carry out the final act, one would have to willfully ignore the warnings. By the time the act takes place, ones heart would be hardened toward God.
     
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    Amy,

    Ananias and Saphira committed a pre-meditated willful sin of lying to the Holy Spirit (pretty serious I think) yet there is no evidence anywhere that they were NOT Christians or that they lost their salvation.

    This account is a perfect example of "a sin unto death" where the resulting death was the chastening hand of God on these two believers.

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