Since Jesus Did NOT Know Time of His Return, proof For Open Theism here?

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  1. JesusFan

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    is this able to be used by those advokating Open theism, for God somehow not knowing all things, learning on the job, so to speak?
     
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    It's not a proof for open theism, it's proof we as finite humans cannot grasp and understand fully how an infinite God chooses to deal and interact with His creation within and outside of the scope of time.

    We also cannot separate Christ's humanity and His divinity as some do in order to explain away how Christ, being fully God while also being fully man, can not know something.
     
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    God still knows the day because the Father knows the day. There were things that Jesus limited himself in when he took on human flesh. Examples would be that God is eternal and cannot die, Jesus died. God is omnipresent, Jesus was in one place at a time. Jesus is physical, God is spirit. It's hard to understand this, but I'm not going to just ignore it. Jesus had two natures and is the only one to ever have a human and divine nature.
     
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    We cannot pretend they are the same. Jesus had two natures, not one.
     
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    ...yet they are inseparable. The hypostatic union is something we cannot wrap our minds around.
     
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    They are still different. One Jesus, two natures. You are right, we cannot understand because we have nothing to compare it to. It's truly unique! My explanation is the best I can come up with based on my limited knowledge. Because while Jesus is human, he is also God at the same time. One Jesus.
     
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    This is a guess, but I'll betcha God the Son knows now when he will return. He is no longer a "little lower" than the angels.
     
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    there 3 heresy ways to explain this nature of jesus thing

    one was that he was/is JUST God
    One was the he was/is Just man
    One was that He was/is 50/50 blended natures just 1 nature blended together

    Church always held 2 dual natures, 100% Gid also 100% sinless Human

    And you ARE right, hard to grasp, similiar to understanding trinity fully!
     
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    The most common error made in many circles is the concept that Jesus was God and man, when, including the early church he was the God-man, one entity and not a multi-personality. Strong,of 1907 Systematic Theology, wrote: "Christ uniformly speaks of himself, and is spoken of, as a single person. There is no interchange of "I" and "thou" between the human and divine natures, such as we find between the persons of the trinity (John 17:23). Christ never uses the plural number in referring to himself, unless it be in John 3:11, "We speak that we do know", and even here "we" is more probably used inclusive of the disciples.

    It ws also record as early as 79-81, that Gloria Patri would give up speaking of the union of God and man; for this, he says, involves the fallacy of two natures. He would speak rather of the manifestation of God in man.

    Cheers,

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    Except the early Church agreed that in Jesus ARE 2 natures, both God and man NOT co -mingled ,distinct ,but both 100 % in nature
    Fully God and Fully man!
     
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    Sorry, I thought I demonstrated that the early church disputed the two separate natures. Jesus was the God-man, and not God and man.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    would you say then that Jesus was 50% God and 50% man?
     
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    The fight over the 100% God and 100% man of Jesus was fought centuries ago, with heretics rooted out.

    Study the "kenosis" of Christ - the "emptying" of the voluntary use of His divine attributes in the incarnation. Great subject and I agree - hard to wrap our minds around!
     

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