Single BIGGEST Biblical Reason Why You Do/Do not believe In TULIP!

I hate to be contrary, but regeneration is what we recieve because of salvation. We are made new when we are saved, not before. (though I do believe as someone above who said the events were simultaneous)

 

I was actually askin it from your perspective. You claimed to have been a non cal, a cal, a non cal again a couple years back, and returned back to calvinism.

 

Double post

 

I have been back and forth on the issue, admittedly. I'm not sure I understand what you were asking me initially, though. Could you clarify for me?

 

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Salvation first, belief second, "seal of the Holy Spirit" third. The sealing of the Holy spirit is the regeneration you speak of. Can the Holy Spirit inhabit unregenerated man?

 

That is not what it says. It says they first HEARD. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Second, they believed the gospel. Third, they received the Spirit. This is when a person is regenerated and made spiritually alive. You are not saved, you do not belong to Jesus until you receive the Spirit.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

You do not receive the Spirit until you first hear the Word of God and believe.

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

We do not receive the Spirit until we #1 HEAR, #2 BELIEVE, #3 SEALED BY THE SPIRIT/ RECEIVE THE SPIRIT. Galatians 2:2 proves that faith precedes regeneration, because you cannot receive the Spirit until you first hear and believe. And if you do not have the Spirit, you do not belong to Christ, you are not saved.

 

Because it was His will. Everyone deserves eternal death. He chose(before the foundation of the world) to have mercy on some and harden the rest.

No Calvinist believes that blasphemy.

I marvel at the twisted minds of those anti-Cals who cannot leave election in the hands of Almighty God without saying that the Lord's selection is random and mercurial.

Well,with the non-Cal spin on 2 Peter 3:9 it's no wonder that some come to Universalistic conclusions.

 

Sorry Winman. I wasn't clear. #1. The offer of salvation first.

 

:thumbsup::thumbs::thumbsup:

 

Lazarus had no problem responding and no mentioning of "quickening" in order to respond either. That is eisegesis.

 

Thank you for articulating it so clearly.

What you posted is clearly the view of 5 point Calvinists. That God chooses to save some, while choosing to discard others.

And it is that teaching that caused me to cast aside Calvinism forever.

The scriptures are so very clear that everyone who comes into the world, and can understand the gosple, is given revelation that they can understand, and respond positively to...or reject.

God is NOT rejecting people, as Calvinism clearly teaches...PEOPLE are choosing to reject God.

 

Thank you AIC for being so simple, concise, articulate and spot on.

 

AiC,please go line-by-line in the above post and tell me why you diasagree.

 

I was a bit quirky with my ROSES comment earlier....

but on a more serious note, while some have (rightly) noted John 3:16, my primary biblical reasons for not being Reformed lie in Luke 7:59-62.

Why would Jesus call people who immediately denied Him if Reformed theology is true? Under my reading of The Institutes and other formative documents (I'm thinking Hermann Bavinck also here) when Jesus calls people they must follow Him. Yet here is an example of that not happening. Is this just for show? How does the Reformed position coherently explain this passage?