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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Ray Berrian, May 7, 2003.
As a Calvinist how do sinners become saints?
Bro. Dallas Eaton
Explain the technical manner in which Grace saves!
How do you get some of this grace? By receiving the sacrament? Are there many ways to receive Divine grace?
What you said in your post is a spiritual fact, but does not explain how a sinner can get into grace. This is what we are asking Calvinists. How can a sinner be sure that he is in a state of Divine grace and that he, for sure, has a relationship with the Lord God?
Rom 8:16. The Spirit himself joins with our spirit to bear witness that we are children of God.
Well that certainly does not separate the Calvinists and the Arminians.
Sinners become saints through conversion. Upon the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit, a man comes to Christ Jesus in repentance and faith and he receives positional sanctification as he is now in a right standing with God based on the finished work of Christ Jesus. He is then progressively sanctified through the remainder of his time on this earth. The transformation from sinner to saint is completed when he receives his sin-free spiritual body at the resurrection to house his previously resurrected soul.
Is regeneration performed on the individual human with the human's willful consent?
Please see my response to this in the "Please respond to this verse!" thread, Yelsew, where I deal with your use of hyperbolic language.
Please see my response, same topic.
One question... If the sinner becomes a saint... is he a saint or still a sinner?... Now you brethren have fun with this one because it is not the answer you think?... How can one be a sinner/saint? Does grace excuse one from still being sinner?... Ask Paul!... He still claimed it and he also claimed he was a saint... How could he be both?... Strange paradox but not to the Primitive Baptist brethren!... Brother Glen
Btw... Sinner into saint comes by Spiritual Regeneration but he is still a sinner... If not why did he die?... Brother Glen
Your point is well taken but it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement. So, it is better to die saint than sinner. Saint is saved sinner. Besides sins are not a factor in the judgment because Jesus atoned for the sins of the world, the debt is paid. Thus the redeemed condition of the spirit resulting from one's faith in God and Jesus is what saves one from being cast into the lake of fire. All others who do not have faith in God and Jesus are cast into the lake of fire even though their sins too are atoned for.
How do you Primitive Baptists handle your question?
You have asked two different questions here: How a sinner becomes a saint and how a sinner can be sure that he is a saint.
1. A sinner becomes a saint by the grace of God working in his life, bringing faith and repentance (too many verses to list here).
2. A sinner can be sure that he is in a state of grace by adding the character qualities of the Christian life (2 Peter 1:5-11). According to Titus 2:11-15, the grace that saves is the same grace that teaches.
The Primitive Baptist brethren believe while in this world you are both... Did Paul excuse himself when he made the declaration... This is a saying worthy of all acceptation that Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners of whom I am chief... Though a saint he claimed what he was by nature... A sinner... He named it and he claimed it and Primitive Baptist brethren are not afraid to name it and claim it too... In fact William Huntington and Old English preacher used to sign his signatures... SS... Sinner Saved... He was a sinner but a saved one thus he was a saint... Brother Glen SS!
Calvinists never get out of the first gear of Total Depravity and carry it on their backs into eternity. Yes, we are fallen creatures, and that is why there was a center Cross on which Jesus died for us.
Just as when God spoke the word He created a perfect world and universe, so to when a sinner receives Christ that person becomes a new creation of the Lord. [II Cor. 5:17] Does God do a inferior job when He makes us into the children of God? The emphasis should be on the fact that we are saints and not dwell on the fact that we can commit terrible sins. God receives no glory by us going around saying, 'I'm only a sinner saved by grace.' If His grace is so wonderful why not speak about the wonderful ministry He has performed and continues to work in our spirits and souls.
One of my favorite verses in all of the New Testament is I John 3:2-3. Apparently, the youngest of the apostles thought of himself as being a son of the living God. Everything that God does He ministers in perfection. It is His sanctifying work in us that makes us pure, ' . . . even as He is pure.' He has done wonderful things in the lives of His people. Praise be to Him alone!
I believe the evil one tries to get us to compromise our faith so that we will not testify to His great and wonderful salvation. Our shoddy Christian living as saved sinners offers no appeal to those who are lost.
That's is where you are in error Ray... God receives ALL the glory!... You just misunderstand the quotation!... Why is it that the greatest theological minds that ever graced the earth are not afraid of this word sinner?... Yet the modern believers run from it? Are we released from sin while in this body?... Then say I'm sinless ... Do you claim what Paul would dare not?... While you claim this sinlessness look in the mirror while your body grows old and wrinkled and decays... Brother Glen