Sins a Christian cannot commit...

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  1. rbell

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    The "foot washing thread" drifted into this conversation. Here's take two:

    Scripture #1:

    OK...so my point is, when insist on making a list of "sins a Christian cannot commit. we must use all of the above verses' contents. We can't pick and choose. Better yet, let us all realize that we don't know the content of another's heart. We don't know what sins lie in a Christian's past. Moreover...the key is, forgiveness is available. But salvation is God's call--not man's. My point? We have no business making a "Christians cannot commit ______" list.

    One poster who proposes this dwells exclusively on sexual sins...ignoring sins such as coveting, and fearful. This is not a biblical approach. Why does this poster approach the "list" in such a manner? This poster's reasoning:

    Herein lies two weaknesses in the argument:
    1. You cannot "pick and choose" which sins are "impossible" for Christians to commit, if you take these passage to mean such. I know the reason that there is "picking and choosing:" It is because said poster knows that they cannot with honesty say, "since I have been a Christian, I have not once been fearful or covetous." For that reason, they dwell on those sins they know they will never commit: adultery, homosexuality, and paedophelia. But they ignore the ones that indict them.
    2. If one commits one of said sins...the weakness is not in God, but in man. God is big enough to forgive...it is just that man is too wicked to obey. Don't blame God for the sins of man (see second quote above). To do so is the height of fallacy.

    I expect to get flack for this post. I already have in a PM. But this issue was too important not to address.
     
  2. Amy.G

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    There is a sin a Christian cannot commit.

    Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.


    I know that's not what you're looking for, but had to say it. :)
     
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    I agree with your post and your conclusions rbell, let the flack come.
     
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    I agree as well, speak the truth and let the ducks flap. :)

    There is not certain sins given in scripture that state a believer can not commit these (aside from the one Amy mentioned :) ).
    The issue (biblically speaking) isn't about a believer 'committing' a sin but is about 'continuing' in sin.

    The words listed in the passages of rbell's post refer to them being presently and continously in that (whatever sin) not just having 'commited' a sin. It refers to their continuation in a lifestly not a single act of sinning.

    A person who continuously lives like there is no God establishes in their lives they will not be subject to God. And thereby proving through their lifestyle the are not children of God for they do not seek his gracious mercy through repentence of sin.

    Thus the qualifying mark of a believer is not sinless perfectionism but swift a repentence in light of their sin, whereas the non-believer (non-child of God) will not seek repentence of their sin but continue in his sin knowing full well it is sin unashamed.
     
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    Rbell is right on...

    I sinned last week... I said some angry words I shouldn't have said.

    And I was saved before, and saved after. But miserable until I asked God to forgive me.

    To think that you can't sin since you are a Christian is a fairytale at best, and false teaching at worse.

    The problem is the closer we get to Christ in our spiritual life, the more sin we see in our own life. Sure, I can go without committing the big ten... If I take them literally...

    But when Christ makes being angry at your brother equal to murder,
    and looking at a woman equal to adultery... No one can get off.

    rbell, I am sorry you are getting flack for a godly stance.
    But be strong, because the Bible backs you up.

    I guess we don't need an advocate if we don't sin... although the Bible says we do.

    BTW, EXCELLENT post in the OP!
     
  6. Amy.G

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    Yes.


    Except for the duck flapping part....I know ducks quack, I didn't know they flapped. Maybe their wings? :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    ***post removed, until further reflections on the matter.

    rbell, I hope you understand.
     
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    I John 3
    1jo 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

    1jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    1jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

    1jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    1jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

    1jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

    1jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

    1jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    1jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    1jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1jo 5:16 If any man see his brother SIN a SIN which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that (SIN not unto death.) [THERE IS A SIN UNTO DEATH]: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

    1jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is SIN: and there is a (SIN NOT UNTO DEATH).< ^lookup Two diffrent sins. one unto death and one not unto death.

    1jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is (BORN OF GOD SINNIETH NOT); but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    1jo 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
     
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    LOL.. no, I just meant cause unecessary commotion. I don't mind examining the word but these kind of threads, (like the alcohal ones) are really more about personal views than solid biblical application. Both sides still hold to the same immutable truth, we just see the mechanics differently applied. One side states a christian can not do certain sins but will strive to live a righteous and holy life. The other side states a Christain can fall into sin but they will immediately seek forgiveness through repentance that they might live above the flesh and strive to live a righteous and holy life.

    I mean if the OT saints are considered to be saved in like manner as we are, that is by faith. Then I must ask the question, how could men like David, Jacob, Sampson, Soloman, Abraham, Noah, et... be considered saved since we find that they did these things while walking in the faith?

    Or even Peter for denying Christ not once but thrice. Yet when Jesus spoke with Peter he did not rebuke Peter for such sinfulness, but restored him due to his repentant/broken heart.

    Or Paul who stated, for you to know to do good and do it not to you it is sin. Paul stated that he does not do those things he should do and does those things he should not do. Does this mean that Paul who admits he is sinning is not saved?

    I figured I'd toss this in as well:
    James is calling these believers "adulterers and adulteresses" to some, these believers whom James was writting to were not saved.
     
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    So charles, which sins are impossible for a Christian to commit?
     
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    Ro 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

    Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit (UNTO DEATH).

    Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

    Ro 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

    Ro 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

    Ro 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

    Ro 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be (UNTO DEATH).

    Ro 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

    Ro 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

    Ro 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, (working death IN me) by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

    Ro 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    Ro 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

    Ro 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

    Ro 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    Ro 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    Ro 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

    Ro 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. (The Flesh)

    Ro 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

    Ro 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the (inward man):

    Ro 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

    Ro 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    Ro 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
     
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    Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me (free from the law of sin and death).

    Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of (sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh):

    Ro 8:4 (That the righteousness of the law might be ( fulfilled IN US), who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
     
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    Charles, I appreciate that you're quoting the book of Romans....were you planning on answering my question?
     
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    He cannot sin a sin unto death. Post #8 will explain the two sins.
     
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    Fair enough. Do you mind explaining your understanding of a "sin unto death?" Thanks.
     
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    A sin unto death is a spiritual death. A sin that is commited of your spirit. Which a born again Christain cannot commit post#11 and #12 explains.
     
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    So what is the 'sin that is commited of your spirit" or even sins committed of your spirit??
     
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    Maybe I'm looking for too "cut and dried" of an answer...but I'm not following you at all here. Try again?
     
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    If you are a Christain there is no sin like that that you can commit with the spirit.That is the reason of this verse.1jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth IN HIM: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. That is if you are born again.Mt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth DEFILEth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this DEFILEth a man. Mt 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

    Mt 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

    Mt 15:15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

    Mt 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

    Mt 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

    Mt 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

    Mt 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

    Mt 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. Mt 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

    Mt 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

    Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    Mt 15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

    Mt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
     
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    You still have not answered my question.
    If you are trying to state that verse 19 are the 'sins that are committed of your spirit', I would like to focus on the very first one.

    1. Evil thoughts. What is evil, ANYTHING contrary to the holy and righeous nature of God. Since this is referencing 'thoughts' that would mean ANY thought that is not in line with Gods holy and righteous nature. That includes any and every thought that is not devoted to pure worship, holiness, and righteous living at all times, of every day, for the rest of their lives.

    That means you should be obeying the first commandment and never placing anything for one second above absolute devotion and self sacrifice unto God. James accused the saved brethren he was writting to for be 'adulterers and adultreses'. It would appear that in your estimation James proved none of those he was writting to were saved.
     
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