Slavery

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  1. TisMe

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    Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery in the Bible? Look up these Bible verses:

    - Exodus 21:20-21 – God says that it is OK to own slaves, and it is also OK to beat them.

    - Colossians 3:22-24 – Slaves need to obey their masters.

    - Ephesians 6:5 – Slaves need to obey their masters just as they would obey Christ.

    - 1 Peter 2:18 – Slaves need to obey their masters, even if their masters are harsh .

    Is it still okay to own a slave? I am not asking legally but Biblically.
     
  2. BaptistJG

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    you ask some crazy questions sir.

    the Biblical 'Slavery' system is much different than our modern view of whips and chains. Slaves were fed, and taken care of, and had a place to lodge, I would have to dig to find a ton of information for you, However, I remember reading about some of the OT laws for slaves so that they were treated properly and any debts they had would be paid off.
     
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    Many modern day slaves where treated very well. I am not asking about the treatment but the over all idea that it was okay to own and beat slaves in the bible.

    Yes, please send me any links or info on the matter.
     
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    Show me where it says in the Bible to beat their slaves.
     
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    “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money.”

    Exodus 21:20-21 (RSV)


    “Thy bond-men and thy bond-maids which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you: of them shall ye buy bond-men and bond-maids. Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land. And they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bond-man forever.”

    Leviticus 25:44-46


    “The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.”

    Luke 12:46-47
     
  6. BaptistJG

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    well for starters lets get you using a proper translation.

    Alright that reads so much easier now. But still -- sounds pretty violent.. well, lets remember our 5 rules of bible reading.

    1)context
    2)context
    3)context
    4)context
    5)Oneness pentecostalism... just kidding... its context.

    what am i saying here?... im saying it looks like you googled an article from the huffington post to build your case.

    1) Exodus 21: I want you to read the first few verses so you get the initial tone of the chapter

    I mean, a servant wanting to stay? what?! this is crazy talk! Well, apparently it happened enough to create laws for it.

    Here we see capital punishment. If you kill someone, you don't get to sit in jail with a flat screen tv. you go meet God and answer for what you did! (We could learn something from this)

    There are some OT laws we consider severe, However, for that dispensation of time, they were completely understandable and just. Believe it or not the treating of slaves from Israel was phenomenal compared to the surrounding tribes. While today we may struggle to understand the idea of punishment for a crime. That was the norm, and I would argue, we could probably learn a few principals from back then but anyway. There is Exodus..

    Leviticus! Lets get some of that context x5 action

    [rigour US, rigor [ˈrɪgə]
    n
    1. harsh but just treatment or action
    2. a severe or cruel circumstance; hardship the rigours of famine
    3. strictness, harshness, or severity of character
    4. strictness in judgment or conduct; rigorism]

    Again, we see the treatment of slaves here being quite well actually, they were workmen. much like how you work to feed yourself, and there were laws on how you treated them and what you did for them.

    Luke 12:46-47 is actually a parable..
    So your first two, were definitely decent quotes, just needed some context. I firmly believe from scripture and history that while yes. Israel was asked to rule over slaves, it was
    1) a picture - a piece of the scarlet thread of the greatest master to serve
    2) Israel believed in the one true God, and knew their actions would have consequences to Him and thus had a logical moral backing to treat their slaves properly
    3) there was laws made under the period of time under an eye for an eye, to treat their slaves rightly (Which would have separated them from the ways of the surrounding tribes)

    You could also check out

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

    for some more information. I know mine isn't perfect, but there it is.
     
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    Anybody else thinking what I'm thinking? We just rid of a troll who LOVED to use this site. . .

    As far as the OP, Christ died to free us from the slavery of sin. I think that pretty much sums up how God feels about slavery.
     
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    If you know of any reasons as to why I can not be using gotquestions feel free to pm me.

    If you feel I am harassing people or being 'troll'-like, again please pm me and let me know as to why so I can correct it.

    thanks :)
     
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    I do not know who the person is who posted the OP. But I would suggest he/she read:

    The Slave Narratives, The Slave Narratives are oral histories taking by the WPA in the 1930's of elderly people who had been slaves.

    Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglas: an American Slave, he was treated badly, but not nearly as bad as most other slaves.

    Uncle Tom's Cabin, I avoided this book for a long time and was quite surprised that it is a better story than I anticipated.

    I wonder if the author of the OP knows about "paddy rollers"?

    He/she obviously is not knowledgable of how slaves were treated in the US during the era of slavery ... and I bet he knows little or nothing about Jim Crow laws.
     
  10. abcgrad94

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    I was just making an observation. I do hope that you are NOT a troll and will be a great addition to the fellowship and debates here. :wavey: We could use more good posters and less trolls.
     

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