Sloth and Gluttony

gottcha...

 

RE: Sloth and Gluttony

Are they serious sins? What is a "serious" sin CY?

Are lust, impure thoughts, fornication and adultery serious sins?
Are these worse than sloth and gluttony?

We have all sinned and shall reap what we have sown.

HankD

 

Biblical fasting, IMHO, is something that is always done in conjunction with specific prayer for God's intervention.

So, if you are fasting to help focus your prayers (not fasting to loose weight), then I can agree.

If you are saying fasting is a good weight loss method, I know from experience that you are wrong.

peace to youraying:

 

Interesting that you can read that verse and only see gluttony and sloth as the sins of Sodom.

Do you believe all overweight people are engaged in gluttony and sloth?

peace to youraying:

 

Good point, and I am glad you pointed it out...

To use fasting as a weight loss program cheapens fasting...

I meant fasting as a way to focus our attention on God... and God alone.

 

Puh-leeeze!

No doubt gluttony is included in the idea described by zalal. But to say that gluttony contains all that is implied by zalal stretches credulity.

The Greek's were a little more precise, and the word translated gluttonous in the NT means literally "one who eats". To say then that an inordinate use of food is not central to the Biblical idea of gluttony is fantastic.

 

This is waaaaaaay too narrow a definition. A person is a glutton when he is indulging his apetite for food. I've lost my copy of The Screwtape Letters, but there was a section in which Screwtape describes how he had snared the patient's aunt (or some other kind of older relative) in the sin of gluttony, while deceiving her into thinking she was practicing temperance. She didn't eat too much food, she simply demanded that it be prepared exactly to her taste.

 

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peace to youraying:

 

This is a good thread

I got into my Bible yesterday and started studying slothfulness.

What I found was interesting.

In the Old Testament, the slothful man doesn't even bother to cook what he has hunted. Pr 12:27 The slothful man roasteth not that which he took in hunting: but the substance of a diligent man is precious.

His fields are overgrown. Proverbs 24: 30 ¶ I went by the field of the slothful, and by the vineyard of the man void of understanding;
31 And, lo, it was all grown over with thorns, and nettles had covered the face thereof, and the stone wall thereof was broken down.
32 Then I saw, and considered it well: I looked upon it, and received instruction.
33 Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep:
34 So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth; and thy want as an armed man.

He makes up amazing excuses not to work, like there is a lion in the street...way too dangerous to go out of the house! Pr 26:13 The slothful man saith, There is a lion in the way; a lion is in the streets.
Pr 22:13 The slothful man saith, There is a lion without, I shall be slain in the streets.

Ultimately, he dies of hunger. Pr 21:25 The desire of the slothful killeth him; for his hands refuse to labour.

The spiritual application, in the New Testament, though, has to do with our walk in the Lord. ....being diligent to serve Him.

We are warned not to be as the unprofitable servant.

Matthew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.


Ro 12:11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

The word for slothful, okneros, is derived from another Greek word oknos. Oknos has the meaning of being slow, hesitating. Peter was urged not to be oknos, but to hurry to the home of Dorcas, who had died. His response was to immediately get up and depart to the home. Acts 9:38.

Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

This word for slothful is nothros, derived from nothos. This word is really interesting, because nothos means being of illigitimate birth, or being one born from a concubine or female slave. Such a person would not, of course, legally be intitled to an inheritance from the father....

God puts it perfectly in the following verse...Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards <3541>, and not sons.

Bastards is nothos.

I believe God is saying that we are not to act as one who will NOT inherit the promises, for such a one is working for someone else. We, rather, are to follow the example of those who ARE going to inherit the promises.

Anyway, after this study, I believe the best way for a preacher to speak of slothfulness is to exhort diligence in our calling in the Lord.

 

All overweight people overeat.

 

Wow. Are you a doctor with proof to back up this claim? According to your statement, I guess all people who sit on a couch and watch TV are sloths.:BangHead:

 

Maybe it isn't my standard of portion size that's at issue, maybe it's your standard of weight. Either way, the body burns fuel to live. The only way to gain weight is to eat more than the body burns, and the only way to lose is to eat less.

 

Your statement that "all overweight people overeat" implies that as long as a person is overweight they are continually overeating and are continually a glutton based on their size. As christianyouth pointed out, this is not true. One could spend several months dieting and still be overweight but not be a glutton.

By the way, your statement "the only way to lose is to eat less" is also incorrect.

It's easy to judge people based on physical appearance. Good thing God looks at the heart.

 

It implies nothing of the sort. To be overweight means one has overeaten. It's as simple as that. C'mon, people, body mass doesn't just happen.

Maybe everyone who looks overweight really isn't overweight. Pehaps you're the one judging by appearances? But the only way to be overweight is to eat more than the body burns.

My statement in context is, the only way to lose weight is to eat less [than the body burns as fuel]. But you say that's not true. Pray tell, how can one lose weight otherwise? It would seem to me that if it would be impossible for some folks to starve to death. Come to think of it, I never saw a photo of one on the brink of starvation who was overweight.

Actually, the fact that God looks at the heart should scare you to death. There's a glutton in everyone.

(And donnA, this is for you and your discussion with Superwoman. There's an adulterer in everyone.)

C'mon folks. A little honesty is needed here. Instead justifying yourselves, let God be true and every man a liar.