Small businesses generate the most minimum wage jobs

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  1. billwald

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    "scab"

    That seems to be one of the most demeaning, derogatory and shameful terms I've ever heard. Because I do not AGREE with you you have the right to use such terminology is the thought of the union/union worker.
     
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    Where is the data that supports this? It certainly isn't at the link you provided.
     
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    It is a "standard" English word.

    from www.businessdictionary.com

    scab
    Definition
    Employee who (1) continues to work during strike action at the place of work, (2) accepts work where strike action is going on, (3) takes work in a non-union shop or (4) under non-union conditions where a union is trying to organize a unit. Also called black leg.

    http://www.etymonline.com/

    scab c.1400. Meaning "strikebreaker" first recorded 1806, from earlier sense of "person who refuses to join a trade union" (1777), probably from meaning "despicable person" (1580s), possibly borrowed in this sense from M.Du.
     
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    In fact here is some evidence to the contrary.

    http://humanresources.about.com/od/salaryandbenefits/a/min_wage_up.htm
     
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    Link worked fine. Chart probably will not retain formatting.

    Country: United States
    Median Salary by Company Size
    Company Size
    National Salary Data (?)

    1-9 $42,190
    10-49 $49,604
    50-199 $54,981
    200-599 $58,687
    600-1999 $63,062
    2000-4999 $66,773
    5000-19999 $70,186
    20000-49999 $73,526
    50000+ $76,016

    Country: United States | Currency: USD | Updated: 14 Aug 2011 | Individuals Rep

    The larger the company the higher the median pay thus the small business you all love have the lowest pay rate. I assume the numbers refer to total wage package or employee cost else the data wouldn't compute.
     
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    It is in the dictionary but that does not give it the power that it has over people that beat others, destroy property, obstruct traffic and lately shoot at people. The mindset/attitude that makes all of what goes on during strikes is deplorable.

    the definition backs up my comment that it is about - I cannot have my opinion without union people being demeaning and nasty.

    There are many words in the dictionary, but that does not mean believers should use them.
     
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    You have no idea how that data works that you posted above. It doesn't even come close to supporting your original statement of "Small businesses generate the most minimum wage jobs".
     
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    I'm going to nitpick again--Where does the data show that "small businesses generate the most minimum wage jobs" as your thread title indicates?

    Your link shows that businesses with 1-9 employees have a median salary of $42,190. The U.S. federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. That means a person working 40 hours per week would earn $15,080 per year.

    Sorry, but I'm not seeing the correlation with minimum wage jobs being predominantly at small businesses.
     
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    OK, most low paying jobs

    OK, most low paying jobs.

    >You have no idea how that data works that you posted above.

    OK, 'splain me how it works.
     
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    The only reasonable assumption you can make from your data is that employees at small businesses with less than 9 employees make around $40,000 a year.

    That ties in well with the fact that most small business owners make less than $250,000 a year.
     
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    The data doesn't show you "most" low paying jobs either. The data doesn't indicate how many jobs are represented by each of the groups listed, so how can you possibly figure out which group has the "most" of anything?
     
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    I'd wear the name proudly.

    A scab is generated by the body to cover a sore while it heals.

    Unions could be considered sores that never heal.
     
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    That's a frequent occurrence for bw. Sometimes they even disprove his statements.

    :laugh:
     
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    :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
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    >The only reasonable assumption you can make from your data is that employees at small businesses with less than 9 employees make around $40,000 a year.

    You think a small business owner should net six and half times his employee's gross?
     
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    What does the employers income have to do with him paying the employee what he is worth? Read that as NOTHING. :laugh: Unless of course you are in a communist country, then your question might have meaning.
     
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    Why not? If the employee is happy making $40,000 and that is fair payment for the job description and level of education of the employee, what's the problem?
     
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    >If the employee is happy making $40,000 and that is fair payment for the job description and level of education of the employee, what's the problem?

    If he is not happy but living in a scab state where only the employers can organize to set wages then he should move to a unionized state? Not easy in this economy if your money is tied up in your house.

    Of course, his wife could get a job and they could leave the kids to fend for themselves when school lets out. That would be the Republican solution?
     
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    Or we could force the small business owner to pay the employees more, thus forcing him out of business. That would be your solution, right?

    You know that 40,000 a year is way above minimum wage, right? Should we raise minimum wage to something higher than 40,000 a year? How about we make a law that all business must equally split all profit among all their employees? I got an idea...how about we make it so that those that belong to the proper family get seniority and more money? That would be a good thug-union solution, right?
     

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