I did not want to derail another thread with this subject matter . It seems many are confused regarding Calvin . My Calvinism is not based on John Calvin, but the Bible . Yet John Calvin was a wonderful Bible expositor among his many gifts . I think it is unfair to cast him aside with a wave of the hand and a bigoted frame of mind . It is best to really read what he wrote before lambasting him . And after really reading him you may end up commending him .:love2: Here is some of what John Calvin commented on regarding 1 Timothy 2:4. Hence we see the childish folly of those who represent this passage to be opposed to predestination . " If God " say they, " wishes all men indiscriminately to be saved , it is false that some are predestined by his eternal purpose to salvation , and others to perdition . " They might have had some ground for saying this , if Paul were speaking here about individual men ; although even then we should not have wanted the means of replying to their argument ; for , although the will of God ought not to be judged from his secret decrees , when he reveals them to us by outward signs , yet it does not therefore follow that he has not determined with himself what he intends to do as to every individual man . ... the apostle simply means ; that there is no people and no rank in the world that is excluded from salvation ; because God wishes that the gospel should be proclaimed to all without exception . Now the preaching of the gospel gives life ; and hence he justly concludes that God invites all equally to partake salvation . But the present discourse relates to classes of men , and not to individual persons ; for his sole object is , to include in this number princes and foreign nations .