So are we not to be happy?

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  1. superwoman8977

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    I have heard this from several in here telling that we arent to be happy thats not part of the plan. Well if thats not part of the plan then why in scripture does it say "Delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart" I guess I am just confused about this because I always was taught that your happiness in life depended on your realtionship with the Lord. I dont know I guess I am just confused with all of this. I am usually a very happy person and before the walls came tumbling down with everything I went through I used to love life and live every day to the full, now I am being told in here that its not about happiness and living life to the full and I have always been taught we are to live our lives for Him and He will provide the joy even in the midst of our trials. So now swaying almost 20 years of teaching am I wrong? No bashing, no judging please, I am just throughly confused with all of this.
     
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    Life feels old these days, for some reason.

    love,

    Sopranette
     
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    You might not want the "faith' Joyce Meyer teaches about since it isn't found in scripture. Since you haven't mentioned a particular statement it is hard to know what you are referring to exactly. I will say that the end of the gospel is not mans happiness. The end of the gospel is the glory of God. That is we are to glorify Him with out any motivation of our own happiness.

    "I glorify God so that I can have __________."

    When you do this you have failed to worship God but only worship yourself. True worship of God is done without any expectation of anything in return to include happiness.


    Ex 34:14 - For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:


    Strong's Number: 07812 Browse Lexicon
    Original Word Word Origin
    hxX a primitive root
    Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
    Shachah TWOT - 2360
    Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
    shaw-khaw' Verb
    Definition

    1. to bow down
    1. (Qal) to bow down
    2. (Hiphil) to depress (fig)
    3. (Hithpael)
    1. to bow down, prostrate oneself 1c
    4. before superior in homage 1c
    5. before God in worship 1c
    6. before false gods 1c
    7. before angel


    King James Word Usage - Total: 172
    worship 99, bow 31, bow down 18, obeisance 9, reverence 5, fall down 3, themselves 2, stoop 1, crouch 1, miscellaneous 3
     
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    Joy does not equal happy. Happy is about our circumstances in life, joy is about our relationship with God. Jesus gave us joy, it does not go away. Happiness comes and goes.
    We are not guarenteed in scripture a happy life, not promised a happy life. Many christians live in circumstances that they do not have a happy life, take christians in China in underground churches, who would get arrested for going to church, or those in the middle east or the sudan who are killed for not converting to islam. No guarenteed or promise of happiness. And if we think we deserve to be happy we put the focus on ourselves, we are our priority, whatever it takes to make us happy becomes acceptable. Seek the will of God (scripture and prayer, not worlds thoughts), live that, and let Him take care of the rest.
    It doesn't mean we aren't to be happy, but it isn't supose to be our priority in life.
     
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    AMEN!

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    While happiness is not our chief end, I think we may react too harshly against the excesses of the prosperity gospel.

    I don't think it is God's goal for us all to be rich and prosperous, but I don't think it's his goal for us to be miserable wretches, either.
     
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    And don't we all know this to be so true. And yet old age has many reasons to be joyful.

    There are going to be times when we will have sadness
    yet joy in Christ will still reign.

    There are times when we have war
    yet peace in Christ remains.

    There are times when we will have pain
    yet healing is Christ's motive.

    There are times when we will have poverty
    yet in Christ we are heirs of Heaven.​

    Mel
     
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    If God's glory is your goal always, then miserable is not an option.
     
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    Let's be realistic here. Some things that are for God's glory are miserable experiences.

    I'm sure Paul didn't enjoy getting stoned.
     
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    You are defining miserable in a physical sense. We can suffer physically and still be without misery. Hebrews 12:2
     
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    "in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content" Phil 4:11 This is the great pursuit - not to have every thing we desire, but to desire everything God wants us to have. Joy is not perpetual bliss, but is satisfaction in Christ. As John Piper says it, "God is most satisfied with us, when we are most satisfied in Him"
     
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    I`m not always happy in a worldly sense personal circumstances change in the world - but always full of joy in the knowledge that ................... :godisgood: ..........:jesus: is my Saviour and soon He is coming (see signature) ......... The Holy Spirit is my counsellor and my comforter.
    We need to count our blessings present and those to come( promised to us)......... and remember this world is not our home , we are only passing through.
     
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    Something else Piper said "When you have lost your whole family and everything you own, is God enough?"
     
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    We are not guarenteed in scripture a happy life, not promised a happy life. Many christians live in circumstances that they do not have a happy life, take christians in China in underground churches, who would get arrested for going to church, or those in the middle east or the sudan who are killed for not converting to islam. No guarenteed or promise of happiness. And if we think we deserve to be happy we put the focus on ourselves, we are our priority, whatever it takes to make us happy becomes acceptable. Seek the will of God (scripture and prayer, not worlds thoughts), live that, and let Him take care of the rest.

    To take what Donna said a little further:

    Who are we to complain, when so many Christians are called to die for our faith, when all God asks us to do is endure a bad marriage and/or a divorce? Often times we have very little idea of what God is trying to accomplish through the bad things that happen in our lives.

    There is, in this country, a certain group of ministers and folk who call themselves Christian that claim that "God wants all His children to be happy and wealthy". Well that lie from the pits of hell itself! God never said that. Let's see what He does say:


    Mt 13:22
    He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

    Mr 10:21
    Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
    Mr 10:22
    And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
    Mr 10:23
    And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

    2ti 3:12
    Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
     
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    I believe that God wants us to be happy and to a great extent happiness is a choice ... and I decided to be happy. Why not? What does being miserable do for us ... nothing. We Americans live so much better than most of the peoples of the world, and yet so many Americans are unhappy, and I find people from less developed countries much happier no the whole than we here. . Wake up! You are blessed. You have so much. Appreciate the blessings. :wavey:
     
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    Psalm 1:1Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
    Psa 1:2But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
    Psa 1:3And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
    'esher
    1) happiness, blessedness
    a) often used as interjection
    b) blessed are

    Seems we are to be happy in contradiction to what so many others think.:godisgood:
     
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    Crabtownboy said
    Hebrews 13:5 tells us that we should be content ...... and is not contentment happiness?
     
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    Blessedness and happiness are far from synonyms. FAR from it.

    Psalm 127:4-5 "Like arrows in the hand of a warrior
    are the children of one’s youth.
    Blessed is the man
    who fills his quiver with them!
    He shall not be put to shame
    when he speaks with his enemies in the gate."


    Do you know a man who's always happy because he has a boatload of kids? We have 4 and it's a joy to have them but I have to say, it's not always happy.
     
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    Of course God wants us to be happy. And a synonym for happy is blessed. See below. But sometimes what we think will make us happy, won't. God wants good for us because He is Good.

    Judging by the majority of responses here, no wonder our churches are full of sad sacks.

    Imagine an unsaved person surfing in here reading this thread, and reading that God doesn't want us to be happy! Yes, there is sadness in the world, but God doesn't cause the sadness, sin does!
     
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