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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, Dec 31, 2011.
As "per the Bible"...
From observation I would say it is considered as an Ordinance because of a command to Baptize, but is greatly misunderstood and dishonored by treating it as a practice to be done at ones own timing and whim or out of convenience.
So we both believe that its an ordinance, and its purpose?
You again have not believed what was written, but rather decided to interpret it into your own understanding. I was answering the OP question as a general answer to the OP. It was not asking for what any one individual holds. MY guess is that you do not have a clue as to what the word ordinance means. However so you will know it means a practice derived from a command. Baptists practice the ordinances of Baptism and the Lord's table from commands. So you may want to pick another word instead of "ordinance" for Baptism and the Table if you want to continue to deny they are comanded.
just was saying that ALL baptists who follow the Scriptures hold that it s an Ordinance, and what its purpose is!
You and I would be in agreement!
Ordinance. Definitely not a sacrament. By definition a sacrament is salvific--a means of grace.
JF you are making claims as if true and then basing an answer on that claim when in fact the claim is incorrect thus making the answer incorrect. All Baptists do not follow the scriptures.
I would agree that all Baptists who call it an ordinance and understand that meaning the practice comes from a command and follow the practice of baptizing at conversion are in agreement with each other and more importantly the scripture. Other then that there is no agreement either with scripture or one another as it is open season for each one doing what is right in their own eyes.
ALl baptists agree on it being an ordiance, and whta it represents and why its done in church!
an ordinance is an enactment by a local authority; in this case the local church. Don't try to elaborate further. You just end up in someone's pit.
That is not true. Also an ordinace is because of a command;
Baptists practice believer's baptism and the Lord's Supper (communion) as the two acts of faith-obedience to the example and commands given by Christ for Christians. They differ from the other ordinances of God in that they were specially instituted by Christ. Most Baptists call them "ordinances" (meaning "obedience to a command that Christ has given us") instead of "sacraments" (activities God uses to impart salvation or a means of grace to the participant). Therefore, historic Baptist theology considers that no saving grace is conveyed by either ordinance and that original sin is not washed away in baptism.[context?] Baptists have traditionally believed that they are symbols. However, Reformed Baptists and possibly a few others[weasel words] affirm a Reformed view of baptism and communion as a means of grace and therefore by definition refer to them as sacraments in their theology. Some Baptists, particularly in the UK, have been[when?] reexamining the theology of the ordinances by questioning the interpretation that they are solely symbolic acts.[
I did not know reformed baptists saw it Sacramentally!
Where is Ruiz to explain this for us?
We are "reformed" baptists in Canada, and we don't believe baptism is a sacrament!!!! In the US, I guess anything is possible!
So reformed baptists see it as primarily a symbolic representation of salvation already worked by god in ones life, unlike reformed who see the presense of the Lord there in the sacraments in a "gracing' way?
Here you go, straight from the Spring 2011 ARBCA Update newsletter:
Puzzling, since the 1689 London Baptist Confession pointedly removes the word sacrament in its adaption of the Presbyterian Westminster text.
The Presbyterian WCF uses sacrament over and over (some 2 dozen times)
The 1689 LBC uses it zero times.
But the 1689 LBC is the Confession most of these "Reformed" Baptists purportedly "hold to"?
so would that make them baptist or reformed, in strict sense of that term?
reformed is but another term for calvinistic. Gets us away from John Calvin and directly to our theology.
It shouldn't be only to the baptists, but to all who have been saved, whether they be baptist, methodist, seventh day adventists, etc. All who are saved, should be baptized, if they are able to get to the water.
All of the real Christians do, its just that we examine each others modes to see if it was done 'per the Bible!"
IF it does not meet our viewpoint, was automatically "invalid"...
The water baptism is us putting our light on a candlestick/lampstand. The candlestick/lampstand is the church. So we are showing the world that we belong to God by being baptized in the water, as a symbol of the death, burial, AND resurrection of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The water baptism is the doorway into the local church, where we can work for God, and witness to a lost and dying world. This is an ordinance, and dare say I, a sacramental occurance as well.