So Much Dissension & Diversity

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  1. HAMel

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    It's amazing to me the various arguments regarding the Scriptures.

    2nd Timothy 2 comes to mind.

    24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

    25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

    26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

    Have you ever considered those who "oppose themselves"? Do you, unknowingly oppose yourself?

    What about finding your way out of the "snare of the devil?"

    ...these words of wisdom are NOT referring to the lost but rather..., those who believe.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. Iconoclast

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    I see it as describing unsaved persons who by opposing the truth, oppose themselves.
     
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    I see it as describing unsaved persons who by opposing the truth, oppose themselves.

    I suppose to the bigger extent, Iconoclast. I am also sure there are many applications that can be made here, especially that so many often get hung up in Religion..., Religious/Doctrinal...church practices simply because this is the way grandpa did it back in '44..., they end up opposing themselves to the truth. To me, the truth isn't that hard. Some make it hard. Consider the snake handlers. That's making it a bit hard..., don't you agree? Personally, I don't think our Lord intended His Plan of Salvation to be hard at all.

    Consider Matthew Henry's Commentary at (in part) http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/2-timothy/2.html

    Verses 22-26 I. Paul here exhorts Timothy to beware of youthful lusts, v. 22. Though he was a holy good man, very much mortified to the world, yet Paul thought it necessary to caution him against youthful lusts: "Flee them, take all possible care and pains to keep thyself pure from them.’’ The lusts of the flesh are youthful lusts, which young people must carefully watch against, and the best must not be secure. He prescribes an excellent remedy against youthful lusts: Follow righteousness, faith, charity peace, etc.

    Observe, 1. Youthful lusts are very dangerous, for which reason even hopeful young people should be warned of them, for they war against the soul, 1 Pt. 2:11 . 2. The exciting of our graces will be the extinguishing of our corruptions; the more we follow that which is good the faster and the further we shall flee from that which is evil. Righteousness, and faith, and love, will be excellent antidotes against youthful lusts. Holy love will cure impure lust.

    —Follow peace with those that call on the Lord. The keeping up of the communion of saints will take us off from all fellowship with unfruitful works of darkness. See the character of Christians: they are such as call on the Lord Jesus Christ, out of a pure heart. Observe, Christ is to be prayed to. It is the character of all Christians that they call upon him; but our prayers to God and Christ are not acceptable nor successful except they come out of a pure heart.II.

    He cautions him against contention, and, to prevent this (v. 23), cautions him against foolish and unlearned questions, that tend to no benefit, strifes of words. Those who advanced them, and doted upon them, thought themselves wise and learned; but Paul calls them foolish and unlearned. The mischief of these is that they gender strifes, that they breed debates and quarrels among Christians and ministers. It is very remarkable how often, and with what seriousness, the apostle cautions Timothy against disputes in religion, which surely was not without some such design as this, to show that religion consists more in believing and practicing what God requires than in subtle disputes.

    The servant of the Lord must not strive, v. 24. Nothing worse becomes the servant of the Lord Jesus, who himself did not strive nor cry (Mt. 12:19 ), but was a pattern of meekness, and mildness, and gentleness to all, than strife and contention.

    The servant of the Lord must be gentle to all men, and thereby show that he is himself subject to the commanding power of that holy religion which he is employed in preaching and propagating.—Apt to teach. Those are unapt to teach who are apt to strive, and are fierce and froward. Ministers must be patient, bearing with evil, and in meekness instructing (v. 25) not only those who subject themselves, but those who oppose themselves.

    Observe, 1. Those who oppose themselves to the truth are to be instructed; for instruction is the scripture-method of dealing with the erroneous, which is more likely to convince them of their errors than fire and faggot: he does not bid us kill their bodies, under pretence of saving their souls.

    2. Such as oppose themselves are to be instructed in meekness, for our Lord is meek and lowly (Mt. 11:29 ), and this agrees well with the character of the servant of the Lord (v. 24): He must not strive, but be gentle to all men, apt to teach, patient. This is the way to convey truth in its light and power, and to overcome evil with good, Rom. 12:21 .

    3. That which ministers must have in their eyes, in instructing those who oppose themselves, must be their recovery: If God, peradventure, will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth. Observe,

    (1.) Repentance is God’s gift.
    (2.) It is a gift with a peradventure in the case of those who oppose themselves; and therefore, though we are not to despair of the grace of God, yet we must take heed of presuming upon it. To the acknowledging of the truth.
    (3.) The same God who gives us the discovery of the truth does by his grace bring us to the acknowledging of it, otherwise our hearts would continue in rebellion against it, for we are to confess with our mouths as well as to believe with our hearts, Rom. 10:9, Rom. 10:10 . And thus sinners recover themselves out of the snare of the devil; see here, [1.] The misery of sinners: they are in the snare of the devil, and are led captive by him at his will, v. 26.

    They are slaves to the worst of task-masters; he is the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience, Eph. 2:2 . They are taken in a snare, and in the worst snare, because it is the devil’s; they are as fishes that are taken in n evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare. Further, They are under Ham’s curse (a servant of servants shall he be, Gen. 9:25 ), they are slaves to him who is but a slave and vassal.

    [2.] The happiness of those who repent: they recover themselves out of this snare, as a bird out of the snare of the fowler; the snare is broken and they have escaped; and the greater the danger the greater the deliverance. When sinners repent, those who before were led captive by the devil at his will come to be led into the glorious liberty of the children of God, and have their wills melted into the will of the Lord Jesus. The good Lord recover us all out of the snare.
     
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    Good quote....Matthew Henry is solid
     
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    26 and they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him unto his will.

    Those taken captive are done so at the will of God, not the devil.

    25 in meekness correcting them that oppose themselves; if peradventure God may give them repentance unto the knowledge of the truth,

    Those released from this captivity are done so at the will of God, not their own.
     
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    Those taken captive are done so at the will of God, not the devil.

    Those released from this captivity are done so at the will of God, not their own.


    kyredneck, that's how I see it. Those who become born again into the Family of God as He intended and then begin to add to..., with additional requirements, rites, philosophies, doctrines, mandates..., etc., end up opposing themselves to the truth. As a result the fight(s) break out resulting in divisions within the Family of God. Satan then has an open door to destroy testimonies.
     
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    19 Howbeit the firm foundation of God standeth, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his: and, Let every one that nameth the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.

    Suffice it to say those that fail to 'depart from unrighteousness' are opposing themselves. Just like the member in 1 Cor 5:5 who actually took his father's wife and was turned over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, yet he was all the while safe eternally.
     
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    and, Let every one that nameth the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.

    In my mind unrighteousness is the result of many vices. Some extremely serious while at the same time many are quite innocent looking on the surface.

    If the Lord made woman to be a "help meet" for man then why should any "religion" take exception thereto deciding their leaders be forbidden to marry?

    Becoming angry/jealous toward another member of one's church is unrighteousness personified. For sure, family cliques top the list of unrighteousness within any congregation. The list is endless.

    Hard core sinner's have not cornered the market on unrighteousness! These sinners are certainly opposing themselves but when you point a finger ya' got three pointing back at you.

    Believers should take notice of their own action and attitudes. Chances are most ALL of us have opposed ourselves on occasion.
     
  9. T Alan

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    sorry, I lost those "three fingers" in an industrial accident, so I'm good.:thumbs:
     

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