It's amazing to me the various arguments regarding the Scriptures. 2nd Timothy 2 comes to mind. 24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. Have you ever considered those who "oppose themselves"? Do you, unknowingly oppose yourself? What about finding your way out of the "snare of the devil?" ...these words of wisdom are NOT referring to the lost but rather..., those who believe. Any thoughts?