So what's the difference between Beth Moore and Joyce Meyer?

I don't think that is what Joyce meant, either. I think she is speaking metaphorically, just as the proverb is. No, we can not literally make our neighbor die by saying that he will, but we are bringing death to our own spirits by violating several commandments: Jesus said if we are angry with someone that is the same as killing them, so I think wishing someone dead or saying they are going to die is much worse. Same thing for the converse statement; I may not restore someone to health simply by saying that they will heal, but if I pray for their good health, that is bringing life to my own spirit by keeping me in communication and relationship with God. Now, I could be wrong, and she could mean it like you're saying, but I just don't think so based on everything I've ever heard her say. :thumbs:

 

The WOF folks believe that our words have power to create and to kill literally. Meyers is no different.

 

If you actually knew what the word of faith false teachers really taught you'd know she was serious about the power of words to create, give life, or bring trgedy simply by misspeaking.

 

I can remember when I was a pastor in the SBC and some of the local SBC churches were promoting it. The prayer of Jabez was promoted at the state level.

 

Okay I have to ask what is wrong with praying the Prayer of Jabez? I have prayed it for the last probably 4 years every morning. It keeps me going knowing that one day it will come to fruition.

 

How do you know it will come to fruition? Or, maybe I should ask, how do you expect it to come to fruition?

 

Well I believe there is power in the tongue and as for the sowing and reaping part it leads me to my favorite verse one I meditate on all the time Psalm 125:6---Though I may sow my seeds with seeds of sorrow I will reap with songs of Joy!

 

Mt. 6:7-15, "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. "So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. "Pray, then, in this way: `Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. `Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. `Give us this day our daily bread. `And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. `And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.' "For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. "But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

 

Beth Moore Guilty by Her Own Writing and Association

I realize I am jumping in late... I apologize, and this isn't just a response to DanE, but I merely use his prodding as an example for the set of challenges to the idea that Beth Moore is not leaning towards a pagan point of view. In the DVD, Be Still, the main "character" is Richard Foster. Richard Foster is one the main proponents of a newer meditation form that is creeping into the Evangelical/Reformed/Baptist arena. How can I call it pagan? simple, and I quote Foster:

I have in-depth definitions of what "astral projection" is if you follow the links in the quotes. So anything to do with such a person makes me suspect, as, I am suppose to test all things and hold fast to that which is good. Another person Moore is close to is David G. Benner, who, is the reason I first got involved in this topic of study. I was taking my last class at seminary and it was an integrative Bible Counseling class, and Benner was on the materials list. As I make a habit of, most authors recommended or on the required reading list I will get most of what they write and reference those works as well. This is just one troubling resource I found out in the ether called the internet as reading through his Papa Prayer raised some red-flags in my mind:

Beth has an unhealthy view of generational sin, almost identical to the "deliverance" ministry of Neil Anderson. One site builds their case against Beth this way:

Take note that due to many ideas infiltrating my church caused me to leave ("me" defined: my kids grew up there, my wife and I had our marriage saved there... we loved our church and leaving it was hard). I had a new pastor to our church's staff discuss my seminary class with me, to my surprise, he had been involved in this "emergent" movement for over a decade. He knew I was a reader so he dropped off an armfull of books -- which caused me to buy about thirty books by these authors, I read them, then I bought the books critical of them. This is the ideas gleened from these books dropped off to me by a pastor; and keep in mind that Beth Moore is intimately involved with many of them:

1. that the first three miracles in John were inserted by writers to “woo in pagans,” as they are themselves adopted from pagan stories (something you referred to as an “interesting theory”);
2. the Virgin Birth was also a deep seated fear of sexuality and not really a miracle;
3. books that teach that penal substitution as a vile doctrine;
4. that Hell is not a place for persons to be placed after a future judgment, and that Hell is actually here now and that we must bring in God’s Kingdom (separate from that future judgment);
5. these books say we do not have the Gospel right yet;
6. they teach that travelling to Buddhist temples and practicing meditative techniques in these temples is Christian;
7. they show that many of the practices rejected by the Reformers are in fact useful to the Christian;
8. they show that Yoga can make one closer to God and to realize and experience the “divine;”
9. they teach that the doctrines of the Trinity, nature of Christ, nature of Scripture, and the nature of marriage are “still on the table,” doctrinally;
10. teach that Paul was really communicating Platonism and not bringing us Scripture;
11. on-and-on.

While I am sure many here can pick apart each book or author/quote and make the conversation die the death of a thousand qualifications (Ravi Zacharias) -- taken as a whole, this entire movement is a threat to the heart-and-soul of the Christian faith, and may be a great falling away. The final or last straw that caused me to leave my church of almost 12-years was the use of a book with the men's college group. I have many audio resources linked off of my critique of this book... so plan on taking some time with this if you are serious about this topic. As you read my critique, keep in mind the following idea from Robert Culver:

God Bless and Much Thought [the two go well together].