Sobran: Bush is Out of His Mind

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  1. KenH

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    "The scandal of our time is that so many important people have failed to say what is obvious and urgent: that this president is out of his mind. Whether it’s clinical madness or fanaticism, it’s something more serious, and more dangerous, than stupidity. And the men around him can’t or won’t restrain him."

    - rest at LINK
     
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    What I read of the article is hogwash.
     
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    "Islam, Bush has said, is a religion of peace that has been hijacked by a few fanatics."

    When did Islam become a religion of peace? Same as when Israel became a nation of peace - when it began to evolve away from strict interpretations of ancient texts. The Reconstructionists who are advising Bush want to return to strict interpretation of their ancient texts.

    Anyway, Bush is only taking orders from his masters - our owners in Switzerland.
     
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    Bush haters sound more nuts than they are portraying him to be.
     
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    ==I can't believe anyone who wishes to be taken seriously would post a link to a article like that. I am also stunned that a Christian does not see the mockery of one of the basic tenants of Christianity in that article.

    Those type articles makes those of us who have real intellectual objections to things this administration is doing look bad.

    Let's not allow disagreement, or agreement, with the President to push us into heresy "or" off the deep end. I say that to everyone.

    Martin [​IMG]
     
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    Care to elucidate?
     
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    Care to elucidate? </font>[/QUOTE]Don't need to. Read the article carefully.

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    I did. Care to point out "mockery of one of the basic tenants of Christianity?"
     
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    Sobran says: "Bush makes one wonder where religion ends and psychosis begins. Is his foreign policy driven by a conviction that we are in the End Times, and that the Lord has anointed him to lead us? Is it mere accident that many of his remaining supporters believe so?"

    It is the Christians that have abandoned Bush and driven his poll numbers down. Bush has gone the way of Nixon on spending and has ignored social issues. Also, as Sobran points out, Bush is looney on the theology of Islam, and, one could add, Bush does not represent any Christian belief other than mainline Methodism, much like Hillary Clinton.

    I should like to ask the Democrats how Methodist Hillary will be different than Methodist George?
     
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    When the author wrote...

    "Islam, Bush has said, is a religion of peace that has been hijacked by a few fanatics. Some, observing him, might say the same about Christianity. Bush makes one wonder where religion ends and psychosis begins. Is his foreign policy driven by a conviction that we are in the End Times, and that the Lord has anointed him to lead us? Is it mere accident that many of his remaining supporters believe so?"

    ...either he is mocking on purpose or just by accident. I am always amazed by people who claim to believe the Bible yet find it amazing, or a sign of "psychosis", that God would lead a person (be that person a trash collector, or President of the United States). I don't know that God is leading Bush (that is not the point) however the fact that God does lead people (in their lives) should not be mocked. It is a basic tenant of Christian doctrine that God leads as His sheep follow. Is it "psychosis" to believe that God would lead His people? Not according to Moses, Paul, or Jesus Himself! A sure sign of "psychosis" is the idea that God does not lead individuals.

    Also the Bible says we are in the end times...

    "Children, it is the last hour, and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour" 1John 2:18

    So, can Bush be faulted for believing that we are in the end times? Not if we believe what the Holy Spirit inspired John to write in 1John 2:18.

    The author of the article is on spiritually dangerous quicksand with his mockery of God's truth. It is always dangerous to mock God's truth. Why? Because each act of mockery leads to a heart that is more and more hardened to the things of God. A hard heart leads to an eternity apart from God. As Christians we need to warn people about the dangers of mocking any aspect of God's truth.

    This is why I said..."Let's not allow disagreement, or agreement, with the President to push us into heresy "or" off the deep end. I say that to everyone".

    Now, is God leading Bush in his decisions? I don't know. However we should never mock the idea that God does lead individuals who follow Him.

    Martin.
     
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    It's also dangerous for people in positions of power to make policy based upon particular interpretations of the Bible.

    I would think it dangerous, for example, for someone to build a foreign policy around the eschatological musings of Hal Lindsey or Jack van Impe.
     
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    ==That is a rather meaningless statement. If a person is a Christian how can they not make decisions based on the Bible (which is God's Word)? Do you think people should try to rule nations without God's Word?

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    ==That is not the point. The author of the article mocked Bush's belief we are in the end times. I clearly showed that the Bible says "it is the last hour" (and it said that around 2000 years ago). The author is mocking Scripture. The author also mocked the idea that God leads men/women individually. That type of mockery, or any type of mockery, of God's Word is spiritually dangerous (hard heart). Like Bush or not, no Christian should support the author of that article. We should not support mockery of God's Word.

    "How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
    Nor stand in the path of sinners,
    Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!"

    Psalm 1:1

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    Nice try at misdirection. It is not a meaningless statement. I said particular interpretations of the Bible. Should Christian Zionism be the basis of a foreign policy? If a leader wants to adhere to the Second Commandment and obliterate coinage and tear down all the statues in Washington, then that would be all right? Better yet, if a man who believes blood transfusions are forbidden (based upon readings of the OT), would it be all right to outlaw that medical procedure?

    A worse mocking of God, in my opinion, is by people who say they are absolutely sure that God has written their political platforms.
     
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    hmmm makes me wonder about your particular interpretation of the Bible. I didnt see that as a misdirection, I see it as the heart of your debate.

    Im absolutely sure that God has written my life platform. I do my very best to keep on the side of the light. I make decisions every day and know that those decisions can have a profound impact on someone's life. It is just the nature of what I do. With each step, I pray that I stay close to God and do what He wants.

    Is that mocking?
     
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    Are you running for something?
     
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    Would it matter if I were?

    We all have direct contact with other human beings.

    I am a member of the armed forces where I hold command and control over a number of things that could go south if I made decisions based on anything other than my Christian values. Think humane treatment.

    In a few years, I hope to be teaching school children. You dont think that has a profound effect on things? Are you saying you want me to take the wheel and drive without God in those situations?
     
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    Nice try at misdirection. It is not a meaningless statement. I said particular interpretations of the Bible. Should Christian Zionism be the basis of a foreign policy? If a leader wants to adhere to the Second Commandment and obliterate coinage and tear down all the statues in Washington, then that would be all right? Better yet, if a man who believes blood transfusions are forbidden (based upon readings of the OT), would it be all right to outlaw that medical procedure?

    A worse mocking of God, in my opinion, is by people who say they are absolutely sure that God has written their political platforms.
    </font>[/QUOTE]==No misdirection, sorry. My point, that you seem to be getting away from, is that the author of the article mocked Bush for holding perfectly Biblical beliefs (God guides individuals and we are in the end times). It is not just that article, the media is full of the same type mockery.

    O, and yes a person's religious views will affect the way they rule. I doubt a person who advocated tearing down the statues in DC would get elected.

    Martin.
     
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    Emraldcity:

    I never said that. Never. Ever. Why must I keep denying that I've said things I haven't said?

    But I also hope that if you're on the battlefield, you wouldn't deny someone a blood transfusion based upon a particular interpretation of the Bible or would lead your unit into a mission thinking it would somehow hasten the Second Coming.
     
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    ==This is not about some point of doctrine on which Christians have, and continue to, disagreed. This is about that article (posted by a Christian on a Christian board) that mocked a person for holding to ideas that are perfectly Biblical. Again it is not just that article. This type of shameless mockery is all over the anti-Bush media. Instead of making solid, intellectual arguments, against Bush policies these people resort to shameless attacks on the man's professed religious beliefs (etc). And not just against Bush, against all Christians. It can no longer be tolerated. Thus Christians should cease to read, quote, or take into consideration ANYTHING written by people who resort to such attacks. If a person cannot deal with the issues apart from personal attacks then maybe they should not be trying to discuss the issue(s).

    Martin.
     

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