Socialism Is Not Communism

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  1. KenH

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    An excellent article. :thumbs:


    Socialism Is Not Communism

    Friday, Nov 07, 2008 - 12:30 AM

    By Frank Llewellyn
    TIMES-DISPATCH COLUMNIST

    NEW YORK - Ross Mackenzie's Nov. 2 column, "McCain, Obama, and 'the Change We Need'," for the most part simply repeats the standard talking points of the McCain campaign and the Republican right. Unfortunately, he threw in a few extra talking points about Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) that he picked up from even more extreme sources without bothering to engage in the fact-checking that is the hallmark of good journalism.

    In his first, and presumably most important, bulleted point he says that the New Party, a now-defunct attempt to establish a national third party based on "fusion" voting, was "an offshoot" of our organization. The fact is that DSA had nothing to do with the creation of the New Party. The New Party never described itself as a socialist or even social democratic party. We were never affiliated to it informally or formally.

    This story has been circulating on extreme right-wing blogs for at least 18 months and has been ignored by most of the mainstream media because it is not true. There was even a recent National Review article (online) that raised questions about the story's validity.

    Mackenzie goes on to describe our organization as "quasi-Communist" -- with a capital C. This Joe McCarthy-style smear is a direct attempt to link us to the politics and political orientation of the now (happily) defunct Soviet Union. A journalist of Mackenzie's age and experience cannot possibly be so uninformed as to not know the difference between democratic socialists and communists. Even a few minutes' research could have corrected the error.

    Democratic socialists seek to strengthen, not harm, our society by extending democracy to our major economic institutions so they will be accountable and work for the good of all rather than for the profits of a small elite. We are unfortunately seeing today the disastrous results of the opposite policy.

    - rest at www.inrich.com/cva/ric/opinion.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-11-07-0024.html
     
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    There is one huge problem with the quoted material above and the title of the thread based on the anti-Socialist threads we have had here on the BB. No one here on the BB (that I am aware of) has referenced the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) as a source for our arguments.

    The title of the thread is false based upon a review of the Communist Party USA's published "Bill of Rights Socialism." We have taken the full CPUSA "Bill of Rights Socialism" and gone through it point by point, issue by issue, and demonstrated using direct quotes, sources, and links how President-elect Obama and V.P.-elect Biden agree with at least 90% of the published Communist socialist agenda. See posts 63 through 73 here: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthre...t=54973&page=7
     
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    The article makes a false assertion that recognizing the communist principles in the liberal left agenda is an attempt to tie them to Soviet Style Politics. As I have said before the communism of today is not the communism of old. The current communist party is a neo-communist party and there is no real difference between that and any socialism. They are in fact one and the same. The end product is evil in both cases as well.
     
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    Socialism is no more evil than is capitalism.
     
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    So????????

    Democratic socialism is not communism.
     
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    I'm not so sure about that statement. Socialism encourages a "why should I work mentality." I say that because when you take the means of production out of the hands of private business you take the incentive to work hard for the fruits of your labor away from the workers. Likewise, when a Socialist state provides welfare, housing, food, health care etc. equally for those who do not work and those who do work and then tax those who do work to pay for it all you loose the incentive to work period. The result laziness and slothfulness, ending in a failed Socialist state.
     
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    Considering the U.S. is a failed capitalist state you shouldn't be knocking socialist states.
     
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    Apparently you have not read the Communist Party's material and therefore do not know that there is no difference between the political philosophy and political ideas of Democratic Socialsts and the Communist Party's "Bill of Rights Socialism."
     
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    There is a huge, huge difference in the implementation and spreading of the two. But maybe you think that there is no difference between the old Soviet Union and Great Britain.

    Now, if will please excuse me, I have to head for bed. My wife is having knee surgery tomorrow morning.
     
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    None what so ever. I am not convinced that socialist know nothing of the current neo-communist agenda. I am convinced they know quite well.
     
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    If the U.S. is a "failed capitalist state" it is because we allowed Liberal/Socialist Democrats to slowly break our industries by incorporating little bits of the Socialist agenda over a long period of time while the "conservative" GOP paid lip service to conservative principles, but did nothing to reverse the course by legislation/policy. Therefore, we stopped being a capitalist state and became something part way between the two. Now it is time for a conservative resurgence just like in the U.K. in 1979 so we can turn this mess around.
     
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    And you have messed up now!

    Now, any time I disagree with you, I shall dismiss you with, "Shouldn't you be attending to your wife? :D

    My prayers are with her, and the doctors.
     
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    If you would read the Communist Party USA's "Bill of Rights Socialism" and other published material you would know that this new "uniquely American" style of Communism has little if anything to do with the old Soviet style Communism. It has morphed and you are behind the eight ball on the learning curve (if you care to be aware of what is happening politically around you).

    I'll be praying for your wife and her medical care providers tonight.:praying:
     
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    When you mix an evil like socialism with capitalism that will fail every time. Of course if you want to create the facade that capitalism is not viable one way to do that is to conflate it with socialism knowing that will ruin it and then cry "see it doesn't work".
     
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    Ring-a-ding-ding!:thumbs: Hellooooo!
     
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    If socialism has (or had) absolutely nothing whatsoever in common with communism, then what, pray tell me, did the second "S" in the abbreviation for the communist-controlled nation called the U.S.S.R. really stand for?
     
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    It's funny...:laugh:

    communists don't seem to mind being know as socialists, but socialists mind the communist tag a lot.

    From a practical standpoint, there are no major differences.

    Both try to destroy the human spirit by taking away the incentive to excel at anything.
     
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    I guess they are if we change to your definitions....

    By the way, you calling what the Church did in Acts evil??? :thumbs:
     
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    Steve.....
     
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    It stood for Socialist ... United Soviet Socialist Republics. Now if you read up on your Communist theory and history you will find that the Communist Party in the former USSR felt they were on the road to Socialism but had not attained it. It is the same with China. Mao believed they were on the road to Socialism, but not not attained what he considered that advanced state.

    Of course Mao tried with the free food program in the late '50's which lead to the little known "three bad years" when up to 50 million Chinese starved to death. If you want to become familiar with this era read, "Hungry Ghosts: Mao's Secret Famine," by Jasper Becker. Your public library may have a copy.
     
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