Soldier doubts eligibility, defies president's orders

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  1. Revmitchell

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    A U.S. soldier on active duty in Iraq has called President Obama an "impostor" in a statement in which he affirmed plans to join as plaintiff in a challenge to Obama's eligibility to be commander in chief.

    The statement was publicized by California attorney Orly Taitz who, along with her Defend Our Freedom Foundation, is working on a series of legal cases seeking to uncover Obama's birth records and other documents that would reveal whether he meets the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.

    "As an active-duty officer in the United States Army, I have grave concerns about the constitutional eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to hold the office of president of the United States," wrote Scott Easterling in a "to-whom-it-may-concern" letter. .....

    ....."Until Mr. Obama releases a 'vault copy' of his original birth certificate for public review, I will consider him neither my Commander in Chief nor my President, but rather, a usurper to the Office – an impostor," his statement said.


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    Yeah, good luck with that. I see Court Marshall in this young man's future.
     
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    Nothing surprises me anymore. I'm willing to bet that he will be court martialed too.

    I also heard about one U.S. soldier who was dishonorably discharged for refusing to wear a U.N. uniform. I'm not sure of when it happened, but it was during Clinton's term in office. The soldier, I thought had a good case. He said that he took an oath to defend out country from enemies foreign & domestic, not to defend the U.N.

    There was another I also heard about, a Navy chaplain that was court martialed for praying a Christian prayer. I don't know why someone could have been so offended by that.
     
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    I would assume that would be the case. He is not an authority unto himself.
     
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    Irrelevant....he never suggested he was his point is there s no proof Obama is a legitimate authority since he will not give up his BC.
     
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    If he defies orders he should be court-martialed and dishonourably discharged. He cannot decide whose orders he will and will not follow based on his personal decision.

    If every soldier did this there would be absolute chaos.

    President Obama has been elected, certified, and sworn in. He is the commander-ic-chief. His orders must be obeyed.

    There is no place in the military for political grandstanding!
     
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    How easy it would be, to make this all go away, with the simple release of the birth certificate. Or authorization to release hospital records in Hawaii. Whatever you believe concerning the birthplace of Obama, it is a requirement for the office to be a natural born citizen. I show my birth certificate often enough, the latest time to be considered for social security disability. So let's see his and put this all to rest! Now I don't say this knowing or believing to know the truth. Lets see the certificate and put this behind us so he can govern without his authority to govern being questioned.
     
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    I agree. To me, this is just like the solider that didn't want to fight the Iraq war and refused to go back. I will have to do some research and find out what happened to him.
     
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    Some people wouldn't accept it even if were engraved on stone and sent down from the mountain by God...

    That is exactly a point I have been trying to make for a while now. If we are to defeat Obama in the next election, we need to come together now, and focus on the things that matter.
     
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    Yes, if Obama had nothing to hide, he would be forthcoming and put all the lawsuits etc. to rest.
     
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    Actually, he not only has the right to refuse, if he believes Obama is an imposter, he has a moral obligation to refuse his orders.

    As an officer in the US Air Force (and now a retired officer) it is my moral responsibility to defend the constitution (above the president or any officer above me) and to protect that constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. An officer also has the moral responsibility to refuse to obay any orders he feels is immoral.

    If I was still on active duty I would also have to fulfill my oath of office to defend the constitution against domestic enemies. And, if Obama is not a natural born US citizen he is not the president. This officer can not do anything aggresive against the president. The best he can do is refuse to do anything.

    It would be trivial for Obama to settle this once and for all. Dosn't it bother any of you that he refuses to do this? The officer is just asking Obama to identify himself as "friend or foe."
     
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    Does this statement go both ways? If the Democrats are stupid enough to start investigating Bush and the "crimes" he commited, will you have the exact same stance as you do now?

    If we get to that point will you simple state that if Bush has nothing to hide, he would be forthcoming?
     
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    I understand what you're saying and in part agree with you. A solider needs to defend the constitution, but isn't there channels that have to be gone through? A solider can't out right take it upon himself to 'make a stand' can he?

    What is the process this solider sure follow to be legal and keep him out of trouble? Or is there even a process to follow in a case like this? I am not military so I don't know the rules and am asking in an open and honest manner.

    I believe, without knowing any better, that he will get into trouble for this stance like this. I can't see how you would allow a solider to decide anything without someone standing behind him.
     
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    Agree with Mr. Dudley. I had never considered the subject from the point of what I swore to do in the oath of enlistment. How can you uphold the constitution, but follow the orders of someone who doesn't necessarily qualify for his position under that same constitution?

    This officer will be court-martialed, most likely under Articles 88, 91, and 134, among others.

    I understand his position: If an officer I report to had a fraudulent enlistment, then any orders he gives me are illegal; and if I have a suspicion that there's something wrong with his background, I have a moral obligation to question it and lay the matter to rest, no matter the consequences.

    We've got enough people that are still questioning this subject, that it would just be easier for the presidential staff to lay the matter to rest once and for all.
     
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    Yes, on the constitutionality of whether a person is qualified to be POTUS, yes, this statement goes both ways.

    Anything else beyond that (which you are trying to do) is attempting to mix applies/oranges, attempting to muddy the waters on this one issue. If Obama is not an imposter, he would be forthcoming with the evidence - an ORIGINAL BC with the embossed seal from the hospital in Hawaii where he says he was born. It should and could have been put to rest months and months ago if Obama and the DNC have nothing to hide.
     
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    Seems I recall this kind of thing coming up when Barry Goldwater was running for president. Some tried to disqualify him because be was born in Arizona before it was a State......... much ado about nothing.

    I thought the hospital or Hawaii declared the birth of Mr. Obama legitimate.

    If this Air Force chap had refused orders during the war he could have been shot by firing squad! You don't just refuse orders for what you think. You go through the proper channels. The only order we had in the military was, "Yes, sir!"

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    That pideon holed it pretty well...

    No, it's not Apples and Oranges. It's a simple statement you made and I only asked if it applied to Bush equally. You didn't like the direction that took you so you try to spin it a different way.

    I understand this thread isn't about Bush and it wasn't my intentions to change the subject. I only wanted you on record stating what is right now and later when the idoits we have in Washington peruse Bush, how you will change your tune...

    Another user called me a a One Note Johnny... in this case I am glad I stand for my one note and don't and won't flip flop according to whom we're talking about.

    Now, back to the OP... This solider is clearly wrong unless there are channels he followed to make this stance. Since I have never been in the military I have asked for the steps for a solider that disagrees with his POTUS so we can see if he is in the right or wrong in this case.
     
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    Jamie maybe I can help... I would like to know the answer also...

    Suppose a general commanded his troops to attack D.C and take Obama out...

    Would the troops have to obey the generals commands by saying, "yes sir"...???

    OR what could be done at that point?
    Could one soldier refuse? Legally?
    I would refuse that type of order based on the oath of allegiance.
     
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    Ahh, but if Obama is an imposter as this soldier thinks then they would be justified in attacking DC and taking him out!

    :laugh:
     

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