Soldiers pledge to refuse disarmament demands

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  1. Revmitchell

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    An invitation to soldiers and peace officers across the United States to pledge to refuse illegal orders – including "state of emergency" orders that could include disarming or detaining American citizens – has struck a chord, collecting more than 100,000 website visitors in a little over a week and hundreds of e-mails daily. ................


    Among the orders the soldiers are pledging NOT to obey:

    1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. … Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order.

    2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects – such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons. … We expect that warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people.

    3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as "unlawful enemy combatants" or to subject them to trial by military tribunal. … Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic "militia" groups the government brands "domestic terrorists," is an act of war and an act of treason.

    4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a "state of emergency" on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state's legislature and governor. … It is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army.

    5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.

    6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps. … Such tactics … by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turn[ed] entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason.

    7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext. … Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used.

    8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to "keep the peace" or to "maintain control" during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.

    9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.

    10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

    "We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic," the organization's website states. "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually affirm our oath and pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."


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  2. abcgrad94

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    Amen! If the president has no respect for the constitution, at least our American soldiers do.
     
  3. Aaron

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    Obama has yet to yield to an examination to determine whether or not he really IS the President.
     
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    In a case like this, I think that Obama would use U.N. troops to detain & disarm Americans. American toops have better sense than to do something like that. Being that U.N. troops are mostly comprised of foreign soldiers, they wouldn't have a problem with doing that.

    Mark my words, I will NEVER comply with U.N. troop orders. The U.N. had better think twice before coming to my yard & ordering me to give up my guns & ammo. I'll give them the ammo first. After that has been used up, then they can pry my guns from my cold, dead fingers.
     
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    Am I on a conspiracy theory web site? :confused:
     
  6. EdSutton

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    Naw, the site is just WorldNUTDaily.com! :smilewinkgrin:

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    No. I just pretty much laid out a big "what if?".
     
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    The real nuts are the ones that think something like I mentioned will never happen. In all honesty, I hope it never does.
     
  9. matt wade

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    I guess I'm a real nut then, since I think that we will never see UN troops on US soil detaining and disarming American citizens.
     
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    This is what the John Birch Society has been trying to tell us since the 1950's. Ever hear of Support your local police? All of a sudden after perhaps too late the people who were laughed at, made fun of, and made out ot be bafoons were right on target and turned out to be right. This didn't just happen overnight with Obama. Every administration since Woodrow Wilson has contributed its fair share to the decline of freedom and the rise of socialism. The precedent for seizing citizens arms is all out lined in the dreaded Patriot Act. Don't get your information from S. Hannity, L King or Oprah get a copy fo the act itself and read it.
     
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    It sounds like serving the Lord comes in second to being an American. I hope this is not the case.
     
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    That's not true. I believe it is possible to serve both God & country. God comes first. Our country comes second, because God gave it to us. He can take it back if He chooses to.

    I was simply stating that I will protect my family & myself at all costs, should (& I stress SHOULD) that ever occur. I would hope that others would do the same. I also should point out that I was simply saying that is what I would do if hypothetically, that were to happen. I don't want that to happen.

    I'd like to know how protecting yourself or others is not considered serving The Lord.
     
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    I used to think the John Birch Society were the ones who were crazy, but I definitely believe I was crazy to think that. I have got a lot of respect for the JBS.:thumbsup:

    I'm surprised that you have Hannity put into the same group as King & Winfrey. I have always viewed Hannity as a thorn in the side of Obama. He's played numerous speeches where Obama was making remarks about him.
     
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    I don’t know how you came to this conclusion Robert. How is breaking the law or failing to honor your word and oath serving the Lord?

    It is simply a matter of keeping your word. All soldiers in the United States swear allegiance to the constitution, not to the president or any individual, but to the constitution.

    From the link at the start of this thread:
    This has always been the case in the United States. This is the reason our founders feared a standing army. The army has to serve the people, not the government, even when that government is elected by the people.

    That is why at the close of reconstruction our congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act, to limit the use of the US military against US citizens. This along with the Insurrection Act of 1807 limits the role the military can play in law enforcement. Bush managed to get parts of this changed in 2007, but in 2008 his changes were repealed.

    When I went through my military training we spent a lot of time in our military justice classes talking about what constitutes an illegal order and when we as soldiers were obligated to disobey an order because it violated the constitution. Now I was an officer so I had some formal training on the military justice system that the average soldier might not have gotten. In our post Vietnam context we were more concerned with things like what happened at My Lai then what is going on in Alabama today.

    The bottom line is that the United States military cannot be used as a law enforcement agency and if they are asked to perform those duties they have a responsibility to disobey those orders. That responsibility is the same as the responsibility to disobey other illegal orders like killing civilians or prisoners.

    Soldiers are not Policemen!
     
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    I think his comment was in regards to my actions in the hypothetical situation I mentioned.
     
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    Not true - here is the oath of enlistment for all members of the military. The words about the president are omitted in the officer's commissioning oath

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    Actually there is a huge difference between swearing allegiance to the constitution and promising to obey the President "if" his orders line up with the constitution. NCT is correct.
     
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    Thanks Roger, I was just remembering my own oath. Of course if the officers keep theirs it will never be a problem.

    But even the oath you gave us Roger has the constitution above the president. So the question is, even given the enlisted oath, what do you do when the orders you are given require you to violate the law?

    The legal answer is that you follow the law. The real answer is you better be real sure you know what the law is and why you feel your breaking it.

    To quote my high school football coach Bruce Ward from a lifetime ago:
    Ignorance of the law helps no one and this organization is trying to teach soldiers and others their legal responsibilities. They need to know the difference.

    That is good!:thumbsup:
     
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    So....do you equate complying with UN troops orders with serving the Lord?
     
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    I don't think I could obey anyone wearing a powder blue helmet.

    OK...maybe if he were a construction foreman. But a soldier? Powder blue? Naaah.

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