Some Baptists and the Cult of free masons

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  1. freeatlast

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    The masons and their cult.Today many Baptist churches have large numbers of mansons as members. Some require a person to be a member of the masonic lodge to become a deacon or hold any office. This is extreemly sad since the masons are a cult. Go to the page and click on the link to watch the video. The download is long depending on the connection speed.
    http://www.johnankerberg.org/TV/ankjasrm-masons-wmv.html
     
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    John Ankerberg did a series on free masonry several years ago, probably late 80's as this video is. It was really good, the guests were ex masons, very informative. I'm not sure how any Christian can be a mason and not recognize it's anti biblical teachings. But as usual satan mixes a certain amount of truth with much error so as to decieve.
     
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    Today many Baptist churches have large numbers of mansons as members.

    This is frightening :eek:

    I understand what you are saying. I do view this as a problem. Why do you think this is true of Baptists?

    Bro. Dallas

    BTW, my dad is a mason. He is not a Baptist church member. They are taught, as best as I can gather, to support a local church, but to not really believe what is taught there.

    Not really unlike many Christians when you think about it.
     
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    Thanks for informing me,
    this is the first time I have heard of a Church requiring adeacon to be a mason.
    Could you give me a name of a church that makes this requirement?
     
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    Masonic lodge is a cultic religion. Sorry to those who are "baptist" and retain masonic influences.

    Never met a masonic "baptist" that didn't try to convince me that the masons were just a friendly brotherhood like the Rotary or Elks.

    Nonsense. They have a doctrinal statement and religious beliefs that are well documented.
     
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    No apology needed for me. I have discussed this with my dad, he couldn't tell me that he believed Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that he has is the Lamb of God for all those who beleive.

    Nor, that Jesus alone was the the way, the truth and the life.

    yeah, we have had this discussion...to no outward avail.

    He has said he would rather be a Catholic than a Baptist, only the masons and the Catholic (along with the Jew) Know the truth.

    Just pray for him as you are led.

    Around here, I have noticed the most of this influence is among the SBC, no offense meant, just an observation I have made here in the glasgow area.

    I also know that a local church whose name says missionary, ordained a young preacher a few years ago, I was invited, the man preaching the charge was (or at least wore) a masonic ring. He said a lot of good things about Moses and the Law, the temple of Solomon, (supposedly the first mason) etc. Never mentioned the lodge, nor eternal life by works...

    In chemistry, don't they teach anymore that a mixture is a compound? And that such a mixture as this then needs to be taught as a compound of error. Compounded.

    Bro. Dallas

    BTW, my uncle was previously a mason, he has been saved and come out from among them. He will not speak of their 'secrets' but he has affirmed to me they are very very unchristian in all their ways. But, dad argues the avenue of 'he never was a mason' (you know, borrowing from Calvin's perseverance).
     
  7. Bro Tony

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    Dr Bob,

    Amen & Amen

    Bro Dallas,

    Unfortunately, your observation is correct about the large number of masons in the SBC (to our shame). The Convention had the opportunity twice in the 1990's to do something about it, but chose to compromise rather than making a difference. They found that freemasonry was incompadible with biblical doctrine, but then said that they would leave it up to each man whether it was right for them to be involved in the lodge. Fortunately, there are Bible believing SBC churches that have made clear stands against the teachings of masonry and the involvement of men in the lodge. I am blessed to be the pastor of one.

    Bro Tony
    PS. I know that we will soon hear from others who will want to defend the indefensable. I will continue to pray for the light to come on.
     
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    Dear Bro. Tony,
    I too will pray with you that more of our brethren would recognize the truth as it is.

    I will say this much, the presence of masons is not limited to the SBC and there are some missionary Baptist churches who do have them.

    Maybe this will illustrate the attitude of compromise:

    When I first announced my call to preach I spoke with my pastor concerning the lodge one evening after prayer meeting. He thought my questioning implied I was a mason (though my dad has hinted to myself and my two brothers this would please him, they are prohibited from proslytizing, anyone seeking must come to them).

    I nor my brothers have never pursued this because we see no purpose in it. When I was younger, I thought I perhaps would, but fortunately the Lord has preserved me and basically through the belief that if this is the truth, there is no warrant for keeping the secret.

    God has not spoken in a dark corner, but has spoken to men, that all may know HE is God.

    Well, my pastor only commented that as a called preacher, it was needful for any to come out from the lodge, but as a church member this was not necessary.

    I obviously disagreed.

    Later I had an opportunity to teach a Sunday School class of young married couples, (generally taught by our pastor). None of these men or their wives are affiliated with either the lodge or eastern star (for women).

    I spoke of the things which I have been able to learn (found a book once when younger and at home, I read everything and am imho, perceptive).

    This book though written in Hebrew, what appeared to be Egyptian hieroglyphics and some other language though I don't think Greek. I read everything and reading this was like taking one of those readability tests where there are blanks and the reader has to fill these in according to context. I was able to do this from the context of the pages of this book which was written in English. Unfortunately, when my youth got the best of me and I began questioning my dad he took the book from me and I have never seen it since.

    I remember this book as being the one when my Uncle joined the lodge he and his wife would come out to the house and he and dad would go into a room and close the door and study this book, until my uncle was received into the lodge.

    During my teaching in Sunday School class I showed how the lodge is based on a works salvation and in opposition to Christianity. My pastor listened and never opposed me, but did say that he was once invited to one of their 'suppers'. I have never known of the lodge having a supper such as the kiwanis club would or such, (and dad is a due paying member in two lodges, one where he was born and raised and one in the community I was raised) so I have always thought my pastor was at one time in the lodge. And really, may yet be. This would explain the reason imho for the compromise, as well as deacons in the churches being lodge members.

    It is present in all churches I suspect.

    Bro. Dallas
     
  9. Bro Tony

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    Bro Dallas,

    I believe you are right, mores the pity. So many preach about the apostasy that's coming, while it has already snuck in the back door. Compromise will always lead to compromise. Jesus keep us strong in you, Jesus let us trust in you alone.

    God bless you Bro as you serve Him.

    Bro Tony
     
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    I am not defending the masons.
    But the post that says that there are Baptist churches that make being a mason a requirement for being a deacon sounds exaggerative.
     
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    I would suggest that stating that a Baptist Church required its members to be freemasons before they can take a position in the church is an exaggeration. Has the same ever been said for members of the Klan? All inuendo, I would appreciate a direct link to prove this one as well.

    I have a few books by John Ankerberg, I like to watch his show online as it is really helpfull, I got some good articles on Harry Potter from there and I am looking at some stuff on the Watchman Nee movement in the church which is proving to be quite interesting.

    Yet as I brought up before, it is all to easy to state that the masons are a cult. As with the claim about Deacons above, how about using actual primary documents to support it?
     
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    I guess this post tells us of the state of the church in America. Then we wonder why we don't have revival. How can we say we are serious with God if we refuse to stand against these practices? We have invited the demons to our churches to be a part of us. I don't even wonder what Jesus thinks.
     
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    I still haven't heard about a church that would require a deacon to be a mason.
     
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    I am not ignoring your request. I have been busy helping in the building of a church building and have not had the time to get the information you asked for. I will try and find the address and phone number so you can verify what i said. The church I was speaking odf in my area is about 60 miles from me and it has been several years since I had any contact with it. I will have ot call and ask questions and then give the info.
     
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    You can get all sorts of first hand documents on what masons believe, at

    http://www.ephesians5-11.org

    Here's some examples of masonic thought

    Scottish Rite Grand Secretary Albert Gallatin Mackey says in his 1874 Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry that "Bel is the contracted form of Baal, and was worshipped by the Babylonians as their chief deity." Baal is also the false god which the Old Testament Jewish prophets warn the people against!"

    "Mackey continues that "Bel" "has, with Jah and On, been introduced into the Royal Arch [masonic] system as a representative of the Tetragrammaton," and that since 1871 this three-part Name of God--JahBelOn--has been officially "permitted to be retained as merely explanatory" of God within Freemasonry. "Jah" stands for the Hebrew God Jah- weh or Jehova, while "On," Mackey explains, was the name of an Egyptian city, and has come to signify the Egyptian sun god. "JahBelOn," or some transliterated variation, became a masonic black magic word; in substitution for God. . . "

    On page 745 of Morals and Dogmas, Albert Pike declared, 'One is filled with admiration, on penetrating into the Sanctuary of the Kabalah, at seeing a doctrine so logical, so simple, and at the same time so absolute . . . the Trinity of Words, Letters, and Numbers; a philosophy as simple as the alphabet and infinite as the Word . . . a philosophy summed up by counting on one's fingers . . . ten ciphers and twenty-two letters, a triangle, a square, and a circle--these are all the elements of the Kabalah. These are the elementary principles of the written Word, reflection of that spoken Word that created the World!"
     
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    I have a book here called "Sin in the Camp" which opposes Freemasonry in the church and states that the sacred name is "Yah-Bul-On". I have also read that it is "jahbulon". Now we have "JahBelOn". Which is the correct name? or is it different under different organisations within Freemasonry?
     
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    The Y and J are, in my understanding interchangeable. Either way, it is an embodiment of falsehood and makes no difference. It is not a question of a different name for God such as a person of a differing culture would have, but literally a false god, through a false view of the Biblical God who has revealed himself to the world first through Israel and now through his only Begotten Son.

    God Bless
    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
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    Here is a link to some insightful information:

    The height of the depth of the Baptist Name

    The title is my own doing. The link is not.

    I received this through pm by a dear brother or sister here on the BB (you never know without a photo or just asking :D

    Either way, I wish to say thanks [​IMG]

    God Bless
    Bro. Dallas Eaton II
     
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    If the Jah and the Yah are interchangable, I can see that, I was told that "Bul" is for Bull, likened to Baal. Hence "Bel" is not the same.

    On your link I would point out that maybe spelling is an important issue, the author spends alot of time talking about the "Cabala". I am assuming that he means the "Kabbalah" the Jewish Sect that Maddona belongs to?

    Yes I am being a little critical, but if that is genuine reserch wouldent that be a thing that would be picked up straight away?
     
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    Maybe Cabala is romanized??? :D :(

    I don't know. :confused:

    I do know the masonic lodge is a works based secret society and has no place at the altar of Grace with Christians. [​IMG]

    Brother Dallas
     

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