Some of the serious NT warnings to the churches

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    Rom 2:6-9 --- God will give eternal life to those who persistently continue in going good,
    ------------- but wrath and anger to the selfish who do not obey the truth and follow evil.
    Rom 8:13-14 - If you live according to the flesh, you will die, but if by the
    ------------- Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live
    ------------- (for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God).
    Rom 12:1-2 -- It is the good, acceptable, perfect will of God that you present your bodies
    ------------- as a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God (its your reasonable service).
    1 Cor 6:9-10- Do not be deceived, unrighteous sinners will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    1 Cor 9:27 -- Paul disciplined his body unto subjection so he would not be disqualified.
    1 Cor 12:12 - Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
    1 Cor 15:1-2- You are saved by the gospel, if you hold fast that word
    ------------- which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
    2 Cor 11:3 -- Satan deceived Eve by his craftiness, so beware that your minds
    ------------- may not be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
    2 Cor 13:5 -- Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith, maybe you are disqualified.
    Gal 5:19-21 - Those who practice works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    Gal 5:24 ---- To belong to Christ, crucify the passions and desires of the flesh.
    Gal 6:7-9 --- Do not be deceived, God is not mocked - he who sows to his flesh will reap corruption,
    ------------- and he who sows to the Spirit will reap eternal life, if he does not lose heart.
    Eph 5:3-6 --- Do not be deceived, no sinner has any inheritance in the kingdom of God.
    Eph 5:8-9 --- Walk as children of light, finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.
    Eph 5:26-27 - Jesus will present to Himself a glorious church without spot
    ------------- or wrinkle, so that she should be holy and without blemish.
    Phil 2:12 --- Work out your salvation with fear and trembling - God is working in you.
    Phil 2:14-16- Become blameless and pure without fault, holding firmly to the word of life.
    Col 1:22-23 - Jesus will present you holy, blameless, and above reproach,
    ------------- if you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast and unmovable.
    Col 3:5-6 --- The wrath of God is coming upon those who don’t crucify their earthly nature.
    Heb 3:12-15 - Beware of any evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God,
    ------------- lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
    ------------- For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning
    ------------- of our confidence steadfast to the end.
    Heb 4:11 ---- Be diligent lest anyone fall according to examples of disobedience.
    Heb 6:4-8 --- Those who have been enlightened, have experienced the Holy Spirit, have
    ------------- appreciated the Bible, if they fall away can never return to repentance
    ------------- (they have re-crucified the Son of God and subjected Him to public disgrace).
    Heb 12:14 --- Pursue holiness, without which no one will see the Lord.
    1 Pet 1:15-16 Be holy in all your conduct, because “Be holy, for I am holy”.
    Rev 2—3 ----- JC: Christians must be overcomers in order to sit on Jesus’ throne, etc.
    ------------- JC: Christians must repent of their sins, wrong-doings, etc.
    ------------- JC: Christians who are lukewarm Jesus will vomit out of His mouth.
    Rev 21:7-8 -- Overcomers will inherit all things, sinners will be in the lake of fire.
    Rev 21:27 --- The impure, shameful, deceitful, etc. will never enter the New Jerusalem.
    Rev 22:14-15- The obedient have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the City.


    These Scripture passages support the doctrine of conditional security.

    If you believe in eternal security (OSAS) … do you have any good explanations for:
    Why are these verses in the NT?
    Why were these warnings written to the churches?
     
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    Just one question:
    Have you obeyed, and are you obeying, every one of these commands perfectly?
     
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    Just one answer:
    The proof is in da puddin'.

    It's all in the obedience, in the trying, in the trying to do your best.

    People (even moderators) continue to ignore the big question:
    What's with all of these strong warnings to the churches?

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    You failed to answer in any kind of reasonable way. If you are wanting to have an actual discussion you will revisit this question and answer.

    If you are only wanting to feel like you are right and poke a finger in the eyes of those who disagree with you you will continue with this childish jibberish.

    Your choice.
     
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    Drop a pen on the floor
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    Now "try" to pick it up.
    Don't pick it up, but "try" to pick it up.
    You cannot "try" to pick the pen up, can you?

    Either you pick the pen up or you don't.
    You either obey God or you don't.

    So I ask you again: have you obeyed, and are you obeying all the commands that you have posted?
     
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    This is just ridiculous!
    There's no need to get personal here.
    We're discussing Bible doctrines, theology, etc.
    Not the spiritual walk of one person.

    P.S. I realize that I have presented MANY things on this forum that you're not comfortable with.

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    IMO, I have displayed great mercy by NOT posting ...
    ALL of Jesus' MANY WARNINGS from the gospels!

    Here's a simple example ...

    Jesus said if you do NOT forgive everyone for their trespasses,
    Father God will NOT forgive you of yours!


    IMO, this is a flat-out blanket warning to everyone who reads it.
    And it is either to be taken seriously or ignored.

    I've had this revelation for years:
    If a person dies with unforgiveness in his/her heart, they will NOT be welcome in Heaven!

    This is a simple example of why I've been asking elsewhere:
    Can a born-again Christian actually NOT be part of the elect?
    I.E. Can he/she refuse to be sanctified (by the Holy Spirit) unto holiness.
    I.E. Can he/she refuse to be an overcomer (Rev 2-3 and 21:7-8)?

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    One can't glibbly dismiss the Scriptural warnings to believers by retorting (wtte): "Well, have YOU obeyed PERFECTLY?!?". That's a red herring, and it wouldn't fly with the Apostles.
     
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    Actually, what Jesus said about forgiving others is this:


    “And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.”

    He was talking about an unforgiving spirit that would hinder one's prayers, not necessarily send one to hell.

    And unforgiving spirit that persists and one is never convicted of is evidence that one was never saved to begin with.

    This quote from Jesus is about prayer.

    It's not saying that if an evil monsterous person rapes your 4-year-old child and you are struggling with thoughts of wanting to put a bullet in his brain and you can't - in the moment - begin the healing process of forgiving this man that if you die in a car wreck while struggling with these thought[SIZE=3]s that yo[SIZE=3]u automatically go to hell and LOS[SIZE=3]E [SIZE=3]your salvation.


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    Scarlett and Thomas, I appreciate your posts. Thank you.

    I was told this shows both sides of the coin, but does it?

    Jude 21
    ... keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
    Jude 24
    Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to present you faultless …


    Verse 24 doesn't say He WILL, just that He is able to.
    IMO, He is able, if Jerry co-operates!
    How is He able, if Jerry enforces his free-will and does not co-operate?
    Will He over-ride Jerry's free will? No way.
    Then they come back and say, "Jerry never was born-again."
    And I say, "Jerry never was part of God's elect."

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    I am very comfortable with all you have posted.
    I am saved by grace through faith and not of works.
    I know when I die I will go straight to heaven, for it is Christ that holds my salvation in the palm of his hand. I am eternally secure. He has given me eternal life which can never be lost.

    You on the other hand must fret every day for you cannot keep all the commands listed. It is impossible to keep the law. Both Gal.3:10 and James 2:10 demonstrate that. You can't be sure of your salvation. If you have a heart attack and die suddenly with just one unconfessed sin you will end up in hell, by your system of theology.

    Thus what you present on this board is simple hypocrisy.
    You are a hypocrite. You can't answer my question, because you can't keep the commands that you tell others that they themselves must keep in order to attain heaven. That is hypocrisy.
     
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    I have already posted in numero 3 ...
    It's all in the obedience, in the trying, in the trying to do your best.

    But, as we all know, there are 2 sides to this question.
    2 long sets of Scriptures (but mine is da longest!).

    Let's see ...
    Some say it's all on God.
    He elects some people and makes sure they get sanctified unto holiness.
    No co-operation between He and man is necessary (it's never been God's plan).
    He didn't tell Joshua to march 7 times around Jericho blowin' trumpets
    before He did His little thing (destroying the enemy).
    And many udder examples of co-operation.

    News Flash! ...
    God did not create robotic angels, nor did He create robotic humans.

    Hey, those of you who haven't noticed ... we have free will (which God honors).
    He even honored the free will of 1/3 of His angels, who dissed Him and followed Satan.

    Yup, it's all about FREE WILL and OBEDIENCE (or lack thereof).

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    Quote me one verse where Jesus said to "try and do your best."
    There is no such command.
    You either obey or disobey. Which do you do?

    If you freely choose him, you will freely obey him.
    Their will to rebel resulted in God's will to punish without any second chance of redemption.
    If you don't choose Christ now, you will never have any chance in the future.
    "It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgement."
    It can't get much clearer than that.
     
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    Even if we accept your statement here, we are left with the question, Does anyone "try their best." The obvious answer is NO! We all take the easy way out sometimes, even when we know better. No husband ALWAYS tries their best to selflessly serve and care for their wives...not even Christian husbands...so by your definition, they are all going to hell.

    Then there's 1 Cor. 3, which clearly gives warnings to Christians who are "in Christ." yet fleshly, acting in a worldly way, yet he says they are "Christs" & they will be saved, though as through fire.
     
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    Yes, I mean we should try our best to repent daily of the sins we know we have committed.
    And, I don't have to remind you that God is the Judge.

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    Sorry, I don't recall if I've posted this before:

    Let us review these passages, which reveal a lot ...

    • “… God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit
    and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel …” (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14)

    • “For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one …” (Hebrews 2:11)

    • “For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.” (Hebrews 10:14)

    • "For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." (Romans 8:14)


    There are at least 2 stages of sanctification:
    1) positional (set apart)
    2) progressive (see above)

    How y’all doin’ with stage 2?

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    Ephesians...

    Did you receive jesus and the Holy Spirit by faith alone, or by the doing of works of the law? Did you continue in maturing in him by works of the law, or by trusting and faith in Him and His promises?
     
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    By insisting that it's all on Him is just simply unscriptural.

    Throughout Scripture, God insists on a co-operative effort between Him and man.

    And ...

    He chose us, and we must choose to co-operate with our sanctification.
    This is where OSAS falls.

    There is ELECTION, and there are free-will CHOICES to be made!

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    So who in the final sense saved you?

    Jesus death on the Cross, and God receiving you thru that work on your behalf, or you choosing to accept jesus?

    Did you exercise free will and save yourself?
     
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    Throughout Scripture, God insists on a co-operative effort between Him and man.
    And ...
    He chose us, and we must choose to co-operate with our sanctification.
    This is where OSAS falls.

    There is ELECTION, and there are free-will CHOICES to be made!
    And these choices are in co-operating with our sanctification, or not co-operating.

    Or there are other options ... like walking away, falling away, etc.
    You don't think believers have ever walked away from the faith?
    If not, why all of the many warnings about it?

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