Some Queries For KJV Proponents

Now sag, you just need to chill. Maybe your shoe laces are too tight. :laugh:

 

For about the 10th time, I believe the KJV is inerrant by faith.

But as I just showed, this enemy of Christ believes the MVs have the correct rendering of the verse without the word "yet" and only later realized that the scriptures were clearly saying Jesus was a liar and added the word "yet" in the footnotes to cover this up.

This fellow is not saying the scriptures are a lie, he is saying the scriptures clearly show Jesus was a liar.

He could never do that with the KJV, the word "yet" was always there (and it is not italicized in the KJV).

 

This is from a another Muslim website:

You see, this passage is well known among Muslims and the MVs translation is used to teach Jesus is a liar.

A person on that site tried to correct this misrepresentation by quoting the KJV.

To which the original poster said;

See, he is supprting the MVs translation over the KJV and using it to attempt to prove that the scriptures said Jesus was a liar.

 

I don't know where you got that information, the KJV may be used by the Mormons, but it is secondary to the Book of Mormon. I know that for a fact, I spent probably 6 months witnessing to Mormons in my home years ago, often 2 to 3 times a week.

And the Jehovah's Witnesses have the New World Translation that is far closer to the NIV than the KJV.

KJV-

1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

NIV-

1 Tim 3:16 Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He [fn] appeared in a body, [fn] was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

Jehovah's Witness NWT-

1 Tim 3:16 Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in [the] world, was received up in glory.’

The Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe Jesus is God, they believe him to be a lesser "god". A person with a KJV could show them this is error, but the NIV agrees with their corrupt version of scripture. The NIV and the NWT simply say "He". What is special about that? Everybody appears or is manifest in a body including you and I.

But the KJV says something the JWs hate, that Jesus was God himself.

 

"yet" is not found in all manuscripts. The Critical Text does not include it in the verse hence why it is absent from many translations. The Greek compilation that was used for the KJV included "yet" in that verse. The manuscripts used for translating the KJV were few and of rather recent dates whereas we now have many more whole and partial manuscripts which date much farther back which do not include "yet".

It is the same case in Matthew 19:16. "Good" is not found in all manuscripts and is absent from the Critical Text.

 

Mormons came by my house a few hours ago with their KJV squarely in hand. They don't want any other translation. When witnessing to them you have to use their Bible, the KJV.

No. Apparently unlike you, I believe Jesus' sinlessness is taught by the Bible and I don't believe any verse of Holy Scripture is misleading. If you want to believe an Islamic interpretation or give validity to it, that's your perogative. But as for me and my house...not a chance. I'll trust Jesus.

Winman, you're reaching here, as usual, but at the same time not like usual. You're gong to preposterous lengths to attack those of us who hold to the inerrancy, infallibility, purity, preservation and inspiration of God's word. You've used circular reasoning "better" than anyone I've ever seen, and used doublespeak like its going out of style to prop up your own blind allegiance to a subterfuge. And what takes the cake is now you're relying on Islam to go even further down the path of cavil.

I'm beyond mystified. It's bordering on appalling.

I said I wasn't going in circles anymore, but to see such blatent error and deception go unchecked is just unacceptable. That said, you appear stuck in your denial of the truth. I don't know what else to do.

 

And I wouldn't call Jim Jones a KJVO, here is a portion of one of his sermons.

Jim Jones may have used the KJV, but he didn't believe it to be the preserved, infallible, and inerrant word of God.

Source:

http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJonestown/Tapes/Tapes/TapeTranscripts/Q144.html

 

They carry it, they quote it on occasion, but the book of Mormon is their source of doctrine.

I also believe Jesus was sinless, and I believe you believe Jesus was sinless, that is not the issue. The issue is that John 7:8 in some MVs can clearly be seen to be saying that Jesus was a liar. And I have submitted proof of that.

I am not going to debate with you anymore if you will not be honest enough to admit that I have proven my point.

 

Am I also going to be sent to bed without dessert unless I tell you you're handsome? :laugh:

Man, you have an ego problem.

I just don't have itching ears for you. Sorry. I prefer truth. God's Word is my standard. I guess we'll just have to disagree since we speak such different languages and have such different convictions and presuppositions.

 

What a load of nonsense, I showed where some Muslims use the MVs version of John 7:8 to attempt to prove that the scriptures say Jesus is a liar. That isn't a stretch, that is cold, hard reality you saw with your own eyes, I provided the link.

And how is that doubletalk?

I am not using any form of deception, doubletalk, or circular reasoning, I am showing you facts you can see with your own eyes, but you are so formed in your opinions you cannot bring yourself to see the truth.

 

The truth isn't in Islam...it's in God's Word and the Christ found therein.

Wish I could say I'm sorry that seems to bother you so much, but I can't. Let God be true and all that stands in opposition be shown for the lie it is.

 

The JWs started in the 19th century when the only version available was the KJV. But they soon saw it contradicted their false doctrine and wrote their own, very corrupted version of scripture.

And did you know that one of their main arguments was that older manuscripts (the ones the MVs are based on) were more accurate? This from Wikipedia on the New World Translation.

Amazing, they used the exact same reasons the MVs used to produce their new version of scripture. What a surprise! :laugh:

If they loved the KJV as you seem to argue, they wouldn't have published their own version of scripture.

And isn't that the real issue? Some folks don't like what the KVJ says, so they write another version that fits their doctrine. The MVs omit Acts 8:37 because it clearly teaches against baptizing babies and baptismal regeneration. Folks in the Dark Ages who had the correct texts knew this and refused to let their babies be baptized. The Catholic Church slaughtered thousands of people for this.

And I showed part of a Jim Jones sermon, hardly a KJVO man.

 

You are avoiding the issue. The issue is that John 7:8 in some MVs is very misleading and can seem to be saying that Jesus told a lie.

You are in that river in Egypt, you know the one I'm talking about, DA NILE.

 

You know what the definition of insanity is?

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

It is more than obvious that you and others will rationalize away any evidence that show you in error. Believe what you want.