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some questions about Ron Paul

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Chessic, Dec 23, 2007.

  1. Ivon Denosovich

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    saturneptune, I like Fred Thompson as well. He's a life long conservative, pro-life, and favors cutting taxes. I don't agree with him on everything but I could vote for him without hesitation.
     
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  3. Ivon Denosovich

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    For those concerned with Paul's ethics, there's an interesting article by libertarian theorist, Dr. Walter Block, here.

    (Bolding mine.)
     
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    Democrats hope Paul runs as a Libertarian as well.
     
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    Interesting scenario. Vote for a third party to ensure that we never find out.
     
  7. Pastor Larry

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    I think your comparison is overstated since I don't think Ron Paul is nearly as ethically challenged as Rudy is. But let all remember that you are the one who made the comparison, not me.
     
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    Thanks for the neat signatures, Pastor Larry.
     
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    What does that mean?
     
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    Which I will most likely do. :thumbs:
     
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    If the Republican Party is harmed by a Libertarian Party candidate then the solution to the Republican Party's dilemma is to become at least somewhat more libertarian. Otherwise, the Republican Party has no one to blame but itself. We in the Libertarian Party are not responsible for the Republican Party lack of commitment to the principles of limited government.
     
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    hhhmmm.......

     
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    That's what I would call a defensive attack on a simple truth.

    Let's try it this way:

    If the Democrat Party is aided by a Libertarian Party candidate then the effect will be for the Democrat Party's to become at least somewhat more liberal. The Libertarian Party has no one to blame but itself for the step backwards from conservative government. We in the Libertarian Party are not responsible for the Democrat Party lack of commitment to the principles of limited government. But we intend to aid them as much as possible. ;)
     
  14. KenH

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    What do you propose as a solution to make the Republican Party return to limited government principle? I don't see voting for Republicans that increase the size and scope of government to be a solution.
     
  15. Pastor Larry

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    And???

    What's with these one liners that have no point?

    As you can tell by what I have said, my argument is about the issue of whether Ron Paul is the non-government conservative/libertarian he claims to be. I think we have seen that argument to be false, at least in some ways. He uses the big government when it suits him, while speaking out the other side of his mouth about how bad it is.
     
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    Actually, Ron Paul is a libertarian. There is no perfect ideologue - conservative, liberal, libertarian, or populist/statist.

    I am not perfectly libertarian but a flaw here and there does not make it inaccurate to describe me as a libertarian any more than severe flaws in my walk with Christ Jesus makes it inaccurate to describe me as a Christian.
     
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    (Bolding mine.) Every time, eh? Well, that's objective and fair. I do hope KenH is paying attention so he can learn from Pastor Larry how not to be "very biased" and "unable to see certain things without that bias."
     
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    I don't see voting for a Libertarian party candidate to be a solution when it increases the size of government even more by placing a democrat in office.

    One might as well stop fooling themselves and vote for a democrat and get it over with.
     
  19. KenH

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    Similarly, I don't see voting for a Republican Party candidate to be a solution when it increases the size of government as well.

    One might as well stop fooling himself and vote for the real deal - a Democrat and get it over with.

    Death by a thousand small stabs is just as fatal and more painful as death by one huge gouge.
     
  20. Pastor Larry

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    Surely you are familiar with rhetorical devices such as hyperbole.

    It wouldn't hurt, to be sure. It is always good not to have a dog in the fight, as well as being able to see things as they really are.
     
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