"Some things" in 2 Pet 3:16

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  1. ktn4eg

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    In 2 Peter 3:15-16, the Apostle Peter makes reference to "some things" that the Apostle Paul has written as being "hard to understand."

    Although Peter does not specifically state which "things" that Paul wrote were "hard to understand," I wonder just what those "things" might be since these two men were both inspired by the Holy Spirit to write much of the NT.

    Can some of my BB friends explain to me exactly to what Peter is referring?

    Thanks.
     
  2. beameup

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    Peter didn't understand the Gospel of Grace. He did not understand how the Nation of Israel would not be the "light to the Gentiles" with the Gospel of the Kingdom.
    Seventeen years following the resurrection, "the Twelve" were still in Jerusalem trying to convert the Nation to faith in Messiah. Paul was chosen after the stoning of Stephen,
    to be the Apostle to the Gentiles, and he "did not consult" with Jerusalem, but went straight-way into the wilderness alone to receive the revelation of the Gospel of Grace.

    Most go astray in assuming that Jesus preached to the "church". He did not, he preached the Kingdom to his countrymen, in obedience to the Father.

    But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter Gal 2:7
     
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    Paul spent most of the years covered in Acts 9 and 10 moving freely about Jerusalem and fellowshiping with Peter, James, and others. He was not preaching a "different gospel" from Peter, the thought that he was being very near heresy. The New Testament does not teach two different gospels.

    When Peter told the Jews to repent and be baptized, as in Acts 2:38, he wasn't telling them to re-double their efforts to behave more like the Law required, he was telling them to change their minds about their need for a Savior, stop relying on their efforts to keep the Law for their salvation, and receive the gift of Grace that had been extended in the Lord's death on their behalf. Since Gentiles didn't have this pre-conceived notion of a works based salvation, there was no need to persuade them from it. That's why there's no mention of repentance for Gentiles in the Book of Acts. It certainly isn't because they weren't sinners in need of a Savior.
     
  4. Baptist Believer

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    Where in the world did you get that?

    Peter was specifically sent to the household of Cornelius to tell them of Jesus and he witness them receive the Spirit in the same way as on the day of Pentecost – before he even finished his sermon to tell them what they needed to do!! (I suspect he was about to tell them to be circumcised and become Jews, but the Spirit cut that off. It goes right along with the vision of the great sheet being let down from the heavens with all of the “unclean” animals.)

    When he spoke to the Jerusalem council, his testimony of his experience at Cornelius’ home was pivotal to the early church accepting Gentiles as co-believers who were in every way equal without asking them to convert to Judaism.

    This seems to be a massive oversimplification of what was going on in the early church. Deacons (notice the Greek names) were selected to take care of food distribution among the non-Jewish community that remained in Jerusalem, but the deacons didn’t stick to “service” work, but they preached (notice Philip’s excursions to preach and perform miracles among the Samaritans and the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8) and the preaching of Stephan which got him murdered within a year or so of the resurrection.

    Grace is a concept that runs all the way from Genesis to Revelation and is not confined to New Testament revelation at all. The difference between the Old and New Covenants is the immediate availability of the Kingdom of God to all who will enter and the indwelling nature of the Spirit. The temple in Jerusalem is irrelevant since we are now living temples of God (the place where the Kingdom of Heaven and the kingdoms of the earth meet) where God makes His dwelling place.

    Yes.

    Yes, but that doesn’t mean that Peter didn’t understand the “gospel of grace.” Jesus, Peter and Paul all preached the same gospel of the Kingdom of God.
     
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    Well, Paul was a highly educated man and he wrote like a lawyer. This can make him very difficult to understand at times. For instance;

    Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

    I have read this verse many dozens of times, and I'm still not sure if I understand what it is saying.

    So Paul can be very difficult to understand at times.
     
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    The traditions of men (no matter if they are thousands of years old, and widly believed) do not trump the Word of God.
    Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to
    the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
    Rom 16:25

    PS: I actually heard a guy on the radio saying that "the gospel" was revealed in the Garden of Eden.
    If I had been driving, I would have had to pull over for laughing so hard. I believe the guys name was R.C. Sprolle (or something like that).

    At no time did Peter abandon the hope of the fulfillment of the salvation of Israel and the immediate ushering in of the Kingdom.

    see Romans 11:26 "ALL Israel will be saved" "ungodlyness will be turned away from JACOB" (yet future).
     
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    Paul taught the Doctrines of Grace...natural men do not understand it.
    Paul taught the Goodness and severity of God...natural men do not like it.
    Paul taught that there is one new man in Christ.....dispensationalists do not like it.
    Paul taught particular redemption...some church folk resist this
    Paul taught individual election unto salvation...many church folk seem to resist this also.
     
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    beameup

    Some say ignorance is bliss......you must have been ecstatic beyond belief:laugh:
     
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    15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you;
    16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
    17 Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own stedfastness.
    18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and for ever. Amen. 1 Pet 3

    Since Peter was indeed an apostle to the Jews, and his audience would be Jews in his epistles, that in red above is one of the biggest proofs that Paul wrote the letter to the Hebrews, which is chocked full of types and shadows from the old covenant (hard for Jews to understand at that time, well still is).

    That in blue above happens also to be one of the primary themes of the letter to the Hebrews, to hold fast and not fall away back to the apostate Judaism that had crucified their Lord and that they had come out of, which undoubtedly at that time was the greatest threat to the faith of these Jewish Christians.
     
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    Pink from 'Gleanings In Genesis':

    "Before the Fall, God had defined the wages of sin: "In the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." God is righteous, and as Judge of all the earth He must do right. His law had been broken and justice cried aloud for the enforcing of its penalty. But is justice to override mercy! Is there no way by which grace can reign through righteousness? Blessed be God there is, there was. Mercy desired to spare the offender and because justice demands death, another shall be slain in his place. The Lord God clothed Adam and Eve with skins, and in order to procure these skins animals must have been slain, life must have been taken, blood must have been shed! And in this way was a covering provided for the fallen and ruined sinner. The application of the type is obvious. The Death of the Son of God was shadowed forth. Because the Lord Jesus laid down His life for the sheep God can now be just and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    How beautiful and perfect is the type! It was the Lord God who furnished the skins, made them into coats and clothed our first parents. They did nothing. God did it all. They were entirely passive. ..."
     
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    I agree with you.
     
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    You might want to acquaint yourself with Genesis 3.
     
  13. Iconoclast

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    The fact that he shows contempt for a respected bible teacher and then has no understanding of Gen3....is part of why I left dispensational ideas years ago. Thankfully most dispensational believers do not go to this extreme.
    This poster believes he has a special Holy Spirit tempate that reveals unique insights to him. This is some of the fruit of it as well as his antinomian circles in his signature.:wavey:
     
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