Some will not see death until the Kingdom comes. When is this?

Amazing! Two Sundays ago my Sunday School teacher said there was a difference.

 

Well Jesus said for one thing that those who believe in Him will never see death. Do you believe this?

Then there are those who will not see death but in the twinkle of an eye will be changed.

Work it out.

Not too hard.

I have not seen death yet. Will I? I will never leave you or forsake you.

 

Maybe it does. Do Christians see death. Also surely a born again person sees the Kingdom before he dies?

 

Was this not before Pentecost? Have we forgot Pentecost?

 

James tasted physical death after Pentecost.

 

Does not any true born again Christian see the Kingdom of God come with power.

Christ's words are cryptic at times if you ask me.

 

What exactly does this mean if it's not about who's alive:

"which shall not taste of death"

Clearly Jesus is indicating some will not be alive to see this event.

Here is what Jesus said they would see:

"till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

No, and why? Because Jesus said only some standing there would not taste of death before this event occured.

Except of course the preceding verse that you completely ignored and which is connected by the "Verily".

 

So let me get this straight, saying "some standing here shall not taste of death" has nothing to do with some being "alive" and some not?

You to also ignore verse 27.

 

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Many think this is an embarrasing quote for Christianity.

 

Essay "The World's Last Night" (1960), found in The Essential C.S. Lewis, p-385.

"Say what you like," we shall be told, "the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, ‘this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.’ And He was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else. It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible."

 

For yet a very little while, He that cometh shall come, and shall not tarry. Heb 10:37


After the transfiguration:

...And the high priest said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou art the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus said unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Henceforth ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven. Mt 26:63-64

Josephus records the death of Annas during the siege of Jerusalem AD70 at the hands of the Idumeans.


from the Parousia:

21 Peter therefore seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? Follow thou me.

 

Geez that's a mix, surprised you did not throw some Eusebius in there.

 

There have been soooo many answers given and sooo many 'problem passages' cleared up for me since I began using the 'Preterist modifier'.

 

Kyredneck, there is more to you than meets the eye. :thumbsup:

 

Eusebius:

On Matthew 24:15
"--all these things, as well as the many great sieges which were carried on against the cities of Judea, and the excessive. sufferings endured by those that fled to Jerusalem itself, as to a city of perfect safety, and finally the general course of the whole war, as well as its particular occurrences in detail, and how at last the abomination of desolation, proclaimed by the prophets, stood in the very temple of God, so celebrated of old, the temple which was now awaiting its total and final destruction by fire,-- all these things any one that wishes may find accurately described in the history written by Josephus." (Book III, Ch. 5)
　
On Matthew 24:34
"And when those that believed in Christ had come thither from Jerusalem, then, as if the royal city of the Jews and the whole land of Judea were entirely destitute of holy men, the judgment of God at length overtook those who had committed such outrages against Christ and his apostles, and totally destroyed that generation of impious men." (Book III, Ch. 5)

 

He's right. There is. Just remember, it wasn't Matthew who used the different terms, it was Jesus. He was quoted by Matthew. This isn't some confusing part of the narrative. There was a reason Jesus kept the two terms separate.

 

I have heard this as well, but why does Jesus refer to both the kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven in these verses? He uses the terms interchangeably.

Mt*19:23 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mt*19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.