Someone explain John 8:51-52?

Deal with it Cassidy! You have seen the "Calvinist" claims on this BBS, set the record straight!

Are you saying that those Calvinist "preachings" are in error? If so, Say so!

 

T cassidy;

There is much more to his word than just one verse. Devils and demons believe and tremble. So if Devils and demons believe they will not see death either?
You are a perfect example of Calvinism. If it don't say what you want change it.
May Christ Shine His Light On us all;
Mike

 

Tcassdy

Why do you keep telling me I lied. when it's you who have accused me falsely.
Mike

 

personally I think this is yet another attempt to be devisive and misrepresent Calvinism. how Christ's words in any way destroy the doctrines of grace is beyond me. Webdog, you asked this question:

How could Jesus say "anyone...will never see death" to the non elect and not be lying, because according to calvinism, only those predetermined to spend eternity with Christ will "never see death"?

Because those that keep God's words are the elect. They are one and the same. That means that the elect (the ones that keep God's words regarding salvation) will 'never see death.' I just can't figure out why this is a problem to you. I would think verses like 1 John 2:2 or 2 Peter 3:9 would be the more obvious bones to pick with Calvinists.

 

No he's not. He's saying that the elect (those that obey his words) can have eternal life. You are twisting Christ's words. Have you read the verses carefully webdog?

 

Only if they keep His word, which the non-elect cannot do. This really isn't difficult.

 

I have no problem with John 8:51-52.

Verse 51 tells us, Christ promises us, IF any person (either Jew or Gentile) who KEEP his commandments, shall never suffer the second death - everlasting puishment in the lake of fire. Jews were offended by Christ, what He saith to them, they accused Christ that he is of devil. But they were blind and do not understand what Christ actual talking about.

We are election and called, BUT in 2 Peter 1:10 says, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for IF ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" Clear, this verse is speak of condition warning, that we could be election and called, IF we do these things, and will not fall away, OR.... if we do NOT do these things, and will fall away, then we are not chosen or elect.

This is not teaching of "The Perservance of the Saints" according what Calvinism teaching one of the five points similar same as security salvation as what many baptists teaching it today.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Does "chosen of God" mean "elected by God"?
Are the Jews not presented in Scripture as being "chosen of God" to be HIS people and HE their God?

I don't think believe or unbelief enters into the discussion regarding the Jews and their election by God.

 

Webdog,
Go to school.
This was a simple imperative. NOT an inductive.
It's making a simple statement.

 

rc;
One thing for sure no one here accepts you as master of theology. So knock off the attitude that you know more than anyone else. You don't and it's very obvious.
Mike

 

Since you deliberately misquote Jesus, I thought I would post what he said. Besides, who are you to declare the Jews are "NON-ELECT"?