Something I learned today

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  1. stilllearning

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    A friend of mine, who is a fellow pastor, sent me one of his messages and as I was reading it this morning he made the following statement..........
    “Jeremiah was Judah's last prophet before going into Babylonian Captivity.
    He was called by the Lord to begin his ministry during the reign of Judah's boy
    king, King Josiah. In 2 Kings 22:1-20:30 we are given the record of Josiah's reign.
    Josiah's father (Amon) and grandfather (Manasseh) were evil men whose love for
    sin and wickedness led them to forsake the True God of Israel and attempt to replace
    Him with false gods who accepted and even encouraged sin and wickedness
    in the lives of their followers. (That is the kind of god America has now adopted.)
    We have "... changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made
    like corruptible man ..."[Romans 1:23]
    They would also lead the Nation of
    Judah into forsaking the Lord for pagan gods and to live wickedly as well.”


    Well, as I read this scripture reference, it just didn’t sound right; So I grabbed by Bible and looked up Romans 1:23, and here is what I found...........
    Romans 1:23
    “And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.”


    Sure enough he had left the word “to”, out of his quotation, to make is sound better.
    I paused and thought about it a moment and wondered if maybe I was being a little too nit-picky when it comes to “exactly quoting” Scripture.

    And as I was meditating upon this question....here is what I realized.
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    Satan’s attack upon the Word of God(in these last days), has forced me to become nit-picky about the KJB.

    This attitude that I have about the Bible, is kind of like driving a stake at my present view of God’s Word, to keep myself from sliding away from the Bible translation the Church had accepted as God’s Word for all these years.

    It would be easy for anyone to slide away form God’s Word, the way that every new English version of the Bible, changes it a little bit more and a little bit more.....

    The only people who don’t seemed to be concerned about this, are those who are willing to put 100% confidence in the honesty of today’s Bible publishers.
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    I know what some of you are about to say to me........
    “Aren’t you putting 100% confidence in the translators of the KJB??”

    No I am not. My confidence is in God, who’s Holy Spirit was in all the millions of Christians over the last 400 years, who have accepted the KJB as God’s preserved Word!
     
  2. Scarlett O.

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    This is the second thread of yours (that I have read) that claims that any version other than the King James is a tool of Satan.

    You are saying that the Devil inspired these Bibles and not God.

    I have been a Christian for 41 years and have used the King James, the NIV, the Living Bible, the New King James, and many more to lead young people to Christ, to teach Sunday School from, and to read for myself in my walk with God.

    Do you hear what you are saying when you call other translations "Satan's attack on God's Word"?

    Do you?

    You are calling those of us who use the King James AND other translations followers of Satan and under Satanic influence from a Bible inspired by Satan.

    If that's not inflammatory and intentionally inciting anger from fellow believers, I don't know what is.

    You are wrong, brother. Dead wrong. I don't know how else to say it. And you are accusing the brethren of being under Satanic influence. You are on dangerous ground here. You need to seek the Lord over this.
     
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    Friend,

    Are you worshiping a version, or God Himself?

    My bet is on the former and that you are so far off track you don't see it.
     
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    You are being an extremist,and it's not a healthy place to be.

    There you go again blaming Satan for godly things.

    The Church is not composed solely of native English speakers. The Church has had many different translations in many languages for centuries long before the KJV.

    The various English versions use a different form of words than the KJV. Is that a problem for you? You want the NASBU and NIV to toe-the-line more and be more King Jamesy? :)

    Let me ask you what doctrinal differences do you think a modern version has with the theology of the KJV? ...Yes, that would be exactly none.

    You have become imbalanced SL. You have taken a detour to the Twilight Zone. Your threads are threadbare. Get a hobby.
     
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    My question is "to" in the Greek?
     
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    Hi Scarlett O

    Please stop putting words in my mouth.

    Every one of your “statements”, should have been “questions”; Asking me if that is what I was meaning to say.
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    I never said Satan is responcible for any Bible.

    But I did talk about Satan’s attack upon the Bible.
    And Satan’s attack, must be by adding or removing words.........
    Rev.22:18,19
    V.18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    V.19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
     
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    Yes - Satan is attacking the Bible. He tells people that it's just written by men. It's not true. It's just all a fable. THAT is how Satan is attacking the Bible.
     
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    Don't feel bad brother. I've learned quite quickly that if you aren't on the modern version bandwagon around here you're going to be attacked from all sides, vehemently by some. There's conservatives and then there are flaming liberals around here. Don't take it to heart and don't cave on your thoughts and beliefs. Just ask God if you're in the right path. For what it's worth, I happen to understand what you said and agree that we must be very careful to rightly divide the Word of Truth and be careful in quoting scripture to be sure we don't lead another astray.
     
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    Hello Rippon


    You said...........
    I may be an extremist, from your point of view; But actually I just love the Lord and God’s people and am just sounding the alarm.
    Is it “unhealthy”, to be sold out to the LORD?

    Satan can not do “Godly things”.
    As I said earlier, I am not singling out any translation, but just talking about “words”, being removed.
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    Next you said.........
    I agree. But I speak English, therefore I am talking about the English speaking Church.
    And the Bible that they trusted to be God’s Word for hundreds of years.
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    Also you asked.........
    Well, this is the point of this thread.
    Yes....the “exact words”(Gk & Heb. words), have to be used, or the meaning is being changed.

    So instead of saying “trusteth”, you can say “trust”, etc.
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    Finally you said........
    That sounds familiar...........
    Acts 26:24
    “And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.”

    No, I am not another Paul, but I am looking at this world, in light of eternity.
    Come on in, the water's great!
     
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    Wow, your post and the OP are not attacks? Pot or kettle?
     
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    I will ask the question again.
     
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    No kidding.
     
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    Sister, he should feel bad. He is the one on the attack. He is one who claims that those Christians who read versions other than the King James are under the influence of Satan and reading Bibles devised by Satan.

    That's a lie. And it's an attack. And it's meant to provoke. I've told him before that I like the King James very much, it's just not my preference. And that doesn't make me under the influence of the Devil.

    And me calling him on that does NOT make me a liberal. I am no more a flaming liberal than you are.

    There is NO modern version "bandwagon". I don't champion either the King James or the NIV or the Amplified Version. What I champion is the word of God no matter if it's the King James, the Bible for the Deaf, the New Living, or NIV Chronological Bible.

    You said that he was right and that we must be careful in quoting scripture. How ironic.

    Go back and read his post where he takes two verses from the book of Revelation and misinterprets them to say that if anyone changes the grammatical structure of the King James Bible that God will send plagues on them.

    The verses that he quoted aren't talking about grammatical structure of the English language of a particular translation. Those verse are talking about the book. What book? The book of Revelation. It's talking about twisting the MEANING of what's in that prophecy to mean something that God did not intend for the purpose of deceiving people.

    While stilllearning is out there charging at windmills trying to "preserve" the grammatical structure and the Old English by quoting the King James verbatim he needs to make sure that he cites his quotes in context and interprets them as to their true meaning.

    And I will tell you this. If he calls anyone here "Satanic" again, I will respond again just I did before. That DOES NOT make me a flaming liberal.
     
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    This is sad.
     
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    It appears your friend quoted the NKJV, not the KJV. Besides not having the word "to" the NKJV uses the English form "incorruptable" rather than "uncorruptable" as in the KJV at Romans 1:23.

    The Greek word aphthartos (Strong's # 862) can indicate that something is imperishable or immortal; the word is otherwise variously rendered in the KJV as: "incorruptible" 4 times, "not corruptible" once, and "immortal" once.

    It would be interesting to conjecture why the king's revisers choose the "un-" prefix in this one place here rather than the "in-" prefix. The "in-" prefix seems stronger (impossible, cannot ever be, incapable of) than "un-" (the state of not being or having been).
     
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    I'm not. You are quite clear in what you are saying. Let me ask you this. The NIV, the Holman Bible, the New Living Translation, and others - either God is responsible for them or the Devil is. It can't be both. You are quite clear on where you stand. Are you not?

    Yes you did. You said, "Satan’s attack upon the Word of God(in these last days), has forced me to become nit-picky about the KJB.

    This attitude that I have about the Bible, is kind of like driving a stake at my present view of God’s Word, to keep myself from sliding away from the Bible translation the Church had accepted as God’s Word for all these years.

    It would be easy for anyone to slide away form God’s Word, the way that every new English version of the Bible, changes it a little bit more and a little bit more....."


    And yesterday, in another thread, you said, "Satan hates God and God’s Word and you and me and he will not rest until he destroys as many lives as he can.

    Over the centuries Satan has used many different methods, to destroy people’s lives by keeping the truth of the Gospel from them(not least of which was by burning Bibles).

    But over the last hundred years of so, He has a new method, that(according to God’s timetable), is working just fine.

    Instead of burning Bibles, he will simply discredit the Bible, by flooding the world with so many choices, that when people’s heads stop turning, they will have lost all respect of what we call “the Holy Bible”."


    Which is it, brother?

    If I am reading a Bible that God is responsible for, I am under God's Divine authority.

    If I am reading a Bible that the Devil is responsible for, then I am under his influence.

    Which is it? Are "modern" versions of God or are they of the Devil?





     
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    No, not strictly speaking. Neither is there a separate specific Greek word present for "made", although the idea is somewhat implied.

    There are 18 Greek words in the TR which are rendered into 24 English words in the KJV (clearly, not a one-to-one correspondance). Some of the 'extra' English words are inserted (especially small words, like "to" and "an") at the discretion of the translators; often original language words are omitted (like "the" and "of", especially if overly redundant in English).

    Here is how two very literal versions translate this verse --
    and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of fowls, and of quadrupeds, and of reptiles. (Young's)

    and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into [the] likeness of an image of corruptible man and of birds and quadrupeds and reptiles. (Darby's) ​
     
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    NASA sees Sun having a solar blast

    The CME should deliver a glancing blow to Earth's magnetic field during the late hours of June 8th or June 9th.

    By NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland — Published: June 7, 2011



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    Coronal Mass Ejection as viewed by the Solar Dynamics Observatory on June 7, 2011.
    Photo by NASA/SDO



    The Sun unleashed an M-2 (medium-sized) solar flare, an S1-class (minor) radiation storm and a spectacular coronal mass ejection (CME) on June 7, 2011, from sunspot complex 1226-1227. The large cloud of particles mushroomed up and fell back down looking as if it covered an area of almost half the solar surface.

    The Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) observed the flare's peak at 1:41 a.m. EDT (06:41 UTC). SDO recorded these images (above) in extreme ultraviolet light that show a very large eruption of cool gas. It is somewhat unique because at many places in the eruption there seems to be even cooler material -- at temperatures less than 80,000 K.

    The CME should deliver a glancing blow to Earth's magnetic field during the late hours of June 8th or June 9th. High-latitude sky watchers should be alert for auroras when the CME arrives.

    --Astronomy Magazine
    Click on the above link to view a video of the recent Solar Flare.
     
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    I am sorry guys, with all of the heat we've been having, I got my social networks mixed up. :eek:


    ...Bob
     
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    I just finished watching the movie Luther, which I really enjoyed. In it, Luther translated the NT into German so that the common man could read it for himself because the Catholic church had forbidden people to read scripture, thus insuring their ability to terrify the common people into giving their last dime to the church in hopes of securing their salvation, plunging the common man into poverty and spiritual darkness.

    Is Luther's German NT God's word since it's not the KJV?
     

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