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  1. danthebaptist

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    OK,

    Forgive me, I am new here. I believe someone made mention of the fact in one post about how many registered posters there are here and how many actually post. I see why perhaps many have "disappeared" perhaps for the same reason many disappear in our churches, because they aren't entitled to their opinions.

    I will answer you all here as some seem be "concerned" about me. They want to know why I haven't been continuing in the "thread" that I started.


    First off, I moved over to Fundamentalist because I anticipated that those posting here in this forum were not necessarily fundamentalist and so I might find more in common over at the other.

    I have puposefully posted questions that I knew would create discussion. And look, it worked! :) I believe it says "Debate Forum" does it not?

    Debate is NOT everyone holding to the same view and opinion.

    I admit to being dogmatic. I do not apologize for that.

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    I will also admit I wouldn't have wanted my ownself teaching them either when I was young and liberal. I attended a VERY LIBERAL Baptist college and was raised in an extremely liberal Baptist Chuch.

    They should have dropped the name Baptist at least, and the preacher should have quit and got himself an honest job. (He didn't believe Jonah was really swallowed, the Red Sea didn't really part, and Christ was not Virgin Born) It was into this mess I was brought up and educated in the liberal "Baptist" school.

    I was saved when I was 14, and was so ignorant to the scriptures and only believing what the "well educated" had said that I was so stupid I believed God made the world by the evolutionary process.

    Well, in the process of time, I Tim. 2:15 convicted me. So did Eph. 6:5 and I Peter 3:15. (Read them please)

    I went off to BBC at the time, but at the point in life I was, I saw them as being too narrow and didn't finish my schooling there, but went back to another liberal "Baptist" institution of "higher" learning.

    The shots in the posts have come from so many sides that I can't remember from whom they have come, nor do I care but I might be speaking to you here, and where I do, I believe someone said something about a shoe, (Though I prefer cowboy boots) Oh, sorry, it seems its all right to make fun of me, but if I should make fun of my own self, that even is constued wrong. Where's the tolerance we hear so much about?

    Anyway, I have probably as many degrees or pieces of paper to hang on the wall as most anyone here, so you can call me the ignorant farmer if you want, but I have learned in my soujourn here on earth that the scripture is true when it says we can be ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    I believe what I believe because it is how I see the scriptures. I don't feel that any "Personal" thoughts of mine are anywhere on level with God's Holy Word. I do feel we all work out what we feel is right, that is if we take time to read the word and study it and not just take someone else's word for it.

    I have met hundreds whose thoughts are simply those of some commentator someplace but have not spent any time studying the passage for themselves.

    I posted what I have about the {purpose driven mess} Because I originally wanted to know if those churches in the BBF have fallen for it. No one ever answered that question, which perhaps is good because that maybe means the BBF folks aren't here at this forum.
     
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  2. danthebaptist

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    I'm kind of new to this computer business and new to this forum. In the couple of days I've been here, I've learned considerable.

    I have also become distressed at what appears to be a great drifting away from Biblical teaching and principles amongst the people known as Baptists.

    I will repeat here some of what I posted under the subject of hair as I reckon some won't read that post.

    The time was when it meant something to be a Baptist. Folks kind of knew where you stood simply by saying, "I'm a Baptist" Now they didn't need to know if you were SBC ABC BBF BGC GBC PB or whatever, it was enough to say we were Baptist.

    Now, however, so many Baptists are trying to be Protestants. That is, they are trying to be mainline. We've taken in all the moderninsm of the Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Congregationals, and the like.

    What has happened to the old time gospel?

    Where are our old time hymns?

    Where are our old time convictions?

    The time was our women looked like women and our men like men. We were a simple but hard working people. A people who loved the Lord, His Word, and seeing lost people won to the kingdom.

    We used to preach heaven sweet and hell so hot you could feel the heat. How long has it been since you've been to a good old fashioned revival meeting? How about a brush arbour or tent meeting. My now we have to stay in our airconditioning. We have "programs" and don't go to the church house but we have "campuses"

    We have screamed LEGALISM! And GRACE! as a license to sin, and not do what God's word tells us we ought to do.

    Remember when we didn't go to dances, worldly amusements, gamble, drink alcohol, smoke, etc.. Remember when we didn't go to picture shows, and some of us didn't even have a devil vision, I mean a TV in our homes? (Now I know Baptists are as different as various kinds of insects. There were always some groups of Baptists that perhaps allowed one of the above "past times" as they were called) It was sinful then same as now, but now we all have gotten to where we think it's ok.

    It seems we like everyone else are worried about being politically correct. We've accepted the teachings of liberals and have neglected THE BOOK.

    Some times I feel like the prophet that "I only I am left" I wonder, am I banging my head against a wall, or are there any old time Baptists left out there?

    Now I'm sure some of you all are ready to bash me, and go for it. I preached just this morning that anytime someone calls me narrowminded or old fashioned, I count it as a compliment. God is narrow minded and old fashioned.

    I know it was long ago at an old fashioned meeting with some old fashioned people who met in an old fashioned way with old fashioned singing, praying, and preaching, I met Jesus and the old fashioned gospel and did an old fashioned thing and got saved in the old fashioned way. I went down into the water in the old fashioned way and have been striving to live by the old fashioned Book in the old fashioned way ever since.

    Did not the Prophet Jeremiah say: Find the old path which is the good way and walk therein and ye shall find rest for your souls? Yet the people today are like those in that day and have said: We will not walk therein.

    Old fashioned Dan
     
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    Sorry,

    I typed out a bunch, but couldn't get it to show up like it did on my copy. I don't know what I did wrong. I'll come back and try to figure it out when I have time.


    Again, sorry for my stupidity. I'm just learnin' this machine , I can read writin' but ain't much good at writing reading.
     
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    Well, for one, it is offensive for you to say that those who don't sing hymns, don't wash feet, don't denounce Rick Warren, don't play cards and even DO watch TV are liberals and have given up the Word for the world?

    You do not know any of us or our churches. You do not know our hearts, the hearts that have been touched through us or our relationship with the Lord.

    I listen to contemporary worship and love it in church, love to play Uno and Phase 10 with my kids, watch Extreme Makeover Home Edition and Wonderpets with my family, have never BEEN to a tent revival (oh - wait, I was at one - where my hubby and his worship team with drums and electric keyboard and guitars played), wear pants and makeup.....and love the Lord with all my heart and my husband and I gave up a lot to serve Him. We're willing to go to the ends of the earth if He calls us to do so but in the meantime, we will serve Him with all that He's given us.

    So call me a liberal worldly woman. That's fine because I know that I'm accepted lovingly and wonderfully by my God. HE has blessed us in our ministries, life and family. That's all that matters.
     
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    Dan,

    1) You are in the right place here. :thumbs: You don't have to apologize nor "preen." As a believer, you are with us in a life of growing into the "unity the knowledge and faith of Son of God," Eph 4:13 (It's a "worthy read" -- Eph 4:12-14).

    2) EVERY congregation got "snowed" by Rick Warren. That's "history" -- a "fad." Another board I am on won't "let it die." I think God blessed his intents but not his way.

    3) We ALL in some ways regret our "liberal education" -- including those of us who didn't pursue the ministry. It's almost a handicap that God called some to ministry IMO. There are those here who are "stuck" with "the theology that brought 'em." God's true church lives and breathes on the Holy Spirit -- the "wind," John 3!

    Having said that, Dan, "lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; 13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" Heb 12:12-14 I see Jesus in you, brother. I'd miss you if you were gone. Just get positive and keep Jesus as your message.

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    Hi ann :wavey:

    Dan is talking "idealism." Were you ever idealistic? I was. It wasn't bad. I long for those days as well. There will be people won to Christ in that way, too.

    I guess what I am trying to point out to you and to him is that some will be won by Paul and some by Cephas -- is Christ divided, 1Cor 1:13? We ought to celebrate both ways.

    At FedEx we had a "system." Thousands of different locations. But what works best so far as sales? service? process? SHARE! RETHINK! If there is no way to improve what you are doing, you can't be part of success!

    People will be attracted to the gospel your way and dan's way. Let's focus on our unity, Eph 4:3-6.

    Dan -- ann, the FedEx model is pretty good. If you are not as successful as you think you should be, "BENCHMARK." Compare what's working for you vs. wjat works for others! We can't change "procedures," the gospel -- but we can change "techniques," how we present it.

    I was a FedEx pilot. There are a zillion ways to land a plane but some are better than others (the one I hate is sitting in the back seat as second officer [over age 60] shouting "Pull up" to a copilot who is getting too close to the ground during approach!)! Critique the "procedure," not the "technique." Share what's GOOD about how you do it -- try not to criticize how someone else gets it done (HEY! I'm, preachin' to myself, too! :laugh: )

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    Dan, I would walk out of a church if what you call Christianity was preached from the pulpit...

    But that is just my Opinion. Oh Well...
     
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    Me too, bro. I don't know what 'time warp' I got caught in anymore! :laugh: Am I looking at "Laodicea?" Gotta get into my Bible to find out what's goin' on. I find myself going to the "11:30" service. You know -- all the "praise songs," "performance" hymns are over and the Adrain Rogers sermon is about to begin.

    I think every church needs to be "crossover" so far as music is concerned. We're between "country" and "Rock" right now. There's good stuff there -- but it ain't like the angels singin' "Holy, Holy, Holy" all day!! We got more LIFE than the angels do (Rev 5:9-10, 14:3, etc. we sing of things that they could NEVER understand!!).

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    Tim --- is that doctrinal or personal taste? What about his testimony do you find "strange fire?"

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    Maybe it shouldn't be called the old way but the Pharisee Way. Equating Orthadoxy with pot bellied stoves, red book hymnals, and kjv Bibles and calling everyone else who doesn't subscribe reeks of the attitude of a Pharisee.
     
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    Well sag, for once we agree on something.
     
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    It is the phariseeical attitude that ONLY his style of worship is HOLY.

    That is more than phariseeical, it is a symptom of a cult.

    When a person feels that they and their group are the only ones that are right, it is the seeds of a cult...

    Look at Westboro... Waco... etc.

    Having read most of Dan's posts, it worries me, especially when he says that he feels like the only prophet left.

    I don't care if other churches use hymns, KJVs, women wear headware, and have long hair (although it does seem hypocritical to me to have a woman declare that it is a sin for her to cut her hair, but it is ok to pin it up in a bun!!!! COME ON... )
    But I do care when these Christians declare others to be "not as holy" because we don't choose these old timey ways.

    I could say that unless you use the NIV, wear makeup, sing CCM, etc.. you are not holy... BUT I would be adding works to Grace.

    Nothing you or I can do to make God love us more
    Nothing you or I can do to make God love us less.
    His love for us is based in his love for Christ...

    After all, all the so called righteousness is as filthy rags (filthy stinking menstrual rags!!!! LOOK IT UP ) , in the sight of God.

    That means your best day of holiness stinks in the nose of God.
    Only Christ's righteousness counts.. not ours.
    So why do people like Dan want to make us "smell" like them.
    We all stink anyway!
     
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    Not me. I smell like Tom's Natural Woodspice Deodorant. Oh yeah...and a little "bacon breath" to go with it right now.
     
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    Like I said, we all stink anyway.. and MP stinketh worse!!
     
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    :laugh: Ok, I'll go brush my teeth and use some mouthwash!
     
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    Looks like the one sect has the other sects rillllllledd up. :wavey:

    Don't see much difference in the posts, all are totally opinionated and declaring themselves right and proper and the others wrong and improper. Since all are right and proper why not get along?

    Oh forgot we are all Christians :tear:
     
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    I agree, but you will have to admit that its hard to get along with a pharisee.
     
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    NOtice I said above... "I don't care if other churches use hymns, KJVs, women wear headware, and have long hair "

    If that is what they choose to do to praise God... PRAISE GOD!!!

    But they call us unholy because we are not like them...

    Now which one is more like the Pharisees, and which one is like the disciples?

    I can worship in any church as long as the truth is being preached...
    But when a church declares itself the only one around that has the truth.. that church just became a cult. (Not saying that any one here attends a cult)

    God designed us all different.
    We all interpret things differently
    Why can we not unite....

    OH, I remember because some want to seperate from anything that is different from them.

    Do you know how the pharisees started out as a sect?
    Seperation. Study the history of the Pharisees, and you will see they remind you of the sect that uses the prooftext.. "be ye seperate"
     
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    You've got to give Dan some credit.. he certainly knows how to get discussion going... this place was beginning to get boring!

    He reminds me of our posterchild for trolls though... sanderson.
    In some ways..

    Dan, the definition of a troll is someone who starts a thread for the sole purpose to enflame. you admitted this in your OP... and cloaked "enflame" in the word "debate"

    Just be careful... participate more... that way people won't think you are a troll.
     
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    Sky - I completely agree with you on this. My husband and I came from a church where we were working to change some things. We finally realized that there were wonderful people at that church who loved the Lord and what we felt needed change was for some people but not for everyone. They were happy the way it was and it wasn't unBiblical so it was worth us saying "goodbye" in love and move on to someplace else that we could minister in the way we felt God leading us to. These people still love the Lord, they still serve Him but do things differently than we identify and connect with. We will work with this other church and they are certainly our brothers and sisters in Christ but they're a little different in some ways than we are.

    However, reading Dan's posts, I think he's in another "church" saying anyone who doesn't believe exactly how he does on every item is not a true Christian or walking with the Lord as He wills. Everyone else is liberal, worldly and walking away from the Word. That's what I disagree with.
     

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