Something to think about for the new year

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  1. Amy.G

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    While we sit here and hide behind our computers arguing about doctrines and theology, alcohol, movies and who prays better prayers, the church is in trouble and it's our fault.

    This article is well worth reading.

    The Failure of the Christian Church.
     
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    Awesome article !!!!!

    I used to heavily partake in the KJVO debate. But I don't have time anymore, got a youth group to teach and local missions to participate in. You know, making myself useful actually.
     
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    I certainly agree that the church is in trouble and far more so then we recognize, but I do not agree it is because of holding to doctrine as this writer seems to suggest. I believe it is because we do not hold to sound doctrine.
    The writer said this " the church has all but stopped its public proclamation against sin. It has begun to believe the lie that the church is weak and powerless to stop the momentum of social decay. It flounders when faced with immorality and stumbles instead of standing strong against sin!"

    That I agree with.
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

    Preach the Word, Preach the Word, Preach the Word.
     
  5. preacher4truth

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    I'm with freeatlast on this one.

    The carm article pretends that all who claim Christianity, other than mainstream cults, are to be accepted into loving arms of fellowship, regardless of their doctrine, yet out the other side, says we are to defend doctrine and stand for sound doctrine. That's the big picture it paints as a whole.

    When we stand for sound doctrine, and live godly in Christ, we will be persecuted even by Christians.

    My trouble here with the things that go on: It is almost to the point some question salvation by prying to see what a person thought about Calvinism, even prior to and leading up to and on their journey to salvation, rather than did said person trust solely upon the Work of Christ alone (and that period!) and accepting that maybe said person did not understand all the implications of theology, but only believed and were consequently changed. This is done instead of seeing what a person thinks about the Savior who died for them. It's becoming "What did you think about Calvin?" instead of being about Jesus Christ our Lord and what He has done.

    I will stand against false doctrine, and if called unloving, sobeit. There is an allowance for it to get heated, while being done in love. Love doesn't mean without heat, how many times did I get a loving whooping growing up? See 2 Timothy 4.

    The article was a nice gesture.

    Happy New Year to all!
     
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  6. nodak

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    What freeatlast said times 10!
     
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    I think some of you skipped this part.

    The medicine of doctrinal purity can become a plague when it unnecessarily divides that which has been made Holy by Christ's blood. We must be careful not to sacrifice people on the altar of doctrinal purity when the doctrines are as simple as music style, or whether or not to wear makeup, etc. We must not politely and lovingly expel fellow believers from our churches and bless them on the way out because they baptize by immersion or don't, or speak in tongues or don't, or believe in pretrib or don't, etc. Hurt and confused, many injured Christians wander the spiritual landscape looking for a safe haven only to fall prey to false teachers or the seductive call of the world. Yes, we need doctrinal purity and we may even need to die for it one day, but doctrinal purity worth dying for is in the essentials, not in the non-essentials. Confessions and creeds are not our bread and wine.
     
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    You took the words right out of my mouth....& I have experience because I have been trying to find a church in my area that will hold & teach sound doctrine.....unfortunately even orthodox churches are caving into liberalism & thats the real problem.
     
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    Really? Not here. :)

    I'm sorry if some persons analogy of this article, which isn't absolute truth, nor necessarily totally accurate, doesn't agree with yours.

    Happy New Year!
     
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    OK, I read the whole thing. I've always enjoyed Matt Slick. He's good. I overwhelmingly agreed with just about all that he said. I would have said a couple of things differently.

    IMHO, he left out "repentence". Isn't that the first thing that Jesus taught? Someone correct me if I am wrong on that.

    Good statement. Too many non-essentials are keeping the church in a civil war and the rest of the world is laughing its head off at us.

    He's right.

    I've been on Christian websites where I've seen people LITERALLY fight to the death over the "style" of dress that women should wear and whether or not churches should use screens and powerpoints. On those same websites, there are non-believers who can only follow the screaming rants and look upon it in stunned disbelief. It seems that whoever screams the loudest, longest, and uses the most words in his or her ranting posts wins the arugment, but at what cost?

    All one has to do to verify this is to watch Joel Olsteen, et. al.

    I can tell you this truth. There are hordes of people out there (I've talked to some of them ad nausem at "another" place) who have been and are still victims of spiritual abusers - chuches who create doctrines over man-made stupidity. They are angry, confused, cynical, and in pain. Some of them are not saved and never were to begin with. It burdens me.


    Truth. I think we all know that. And I think the problem is we disagree on what the essentials are to begin with.

    Powerfully true.

    There's a sermon or two in that, right there.

    Sermons #3, #4, and #5.

    IMHO, the church won't get this right until the individual Christians get this right.



    True, but he left out wrath and judgment.

    Overall, a very good article. We must preach sound doctrine and most of all, we must LIVE sound doctrine. Anything else, particularly the non-essentials that have become millstones around our necks, will at best cripple the church and at worst keep lost people from becoming saved.
     
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    How is the church in trouble? Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
    Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Have you ever thought if it is in trouble it might not be Gods church? The church is the saved the believers not a white building or brick building with basket ball courts and base ball fields. It is a city set on a hill that cannot be hide. Honor and Glory to God praise be the name of the Lord! My soul rejoices in him. Thank you Lord!
     
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    I heartily agree with the article, and have been saying as much in many of my posts here on the board since I joined!

    God is not divided. God's Word cannot be divided and used against itself. Christ's "high priestly prayer" was that "We would be one as He is one with the Father..."

    While we can and should hash out doctrinal differences, they are not what truly matters, and one is not a heathen or heretic for holding a slightly different "orthodox" theological position. The road to heaven is "narrow" not the sharp edge of a razor blade. We ought not become injured when walking the narrow road, for the narrow road is the road to life, not death!

    Hopefully in the New Year, we can resume our debates, but in a spirit of brotherly (and sisterly) love!

    Blessings all... :love2:
     
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    glfredrick I am not trying to be ugly here but that sounds a whole lot like the modern liberal movement of accepting everyone and everything under the cloak of love. It is sometimes stated as "we agree that we disagree" but the scriptures say can two walk together unless they be in agreement? The answer is no. This post modern idealism of accepting all the claimed small differences only leads to accepting big differences and that leads to what we see today the denying of sound doctrine. While I agree that the road is narrow and we who are on it need to be in agreement there is also a broad road and most are on that road which has both extreme and not so extreme theological differences.
    You mentioned Christ's "high priestly prayer as well as the fact that God is not divided, and that is true, but in the mist of the prayer and the non division there is agreement and I have found that where that agreement comes into contact with those of like mind the love flows. So doctrinal issues do matter because they present the reason for the bonding of those who are present. If someone has another Jesus or presents another gospel or claims that clear scripture does not apply today then there is no unity. A church with widely differing doctrinal beliefs is not a united church. It is however confussion running here and there and what we are seeing today.
    Instead we are to be this;
    That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
    But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ:
    It is one thing for someone to hold a different doctrine out of ignorance and another to allow them to contnue in it and just accept them in their error. As you said God is not devided and neither does He accept unsound doctrine and neither should we even for the sake of unity since error is not unified.
     
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    bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

    Uh, I love ya bro--->:love2:<----- but, not quite.

    :laugh: :laugh:

    I'm sure you were being sarcastic! Thanks for the laugh though!!!!

    :thumbsup:
     
  16. BobinKy

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    Amen!

    Amy, thank you for sharing the link.

    ...Bob
     

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